PM Concept / SIM Request

[Oxygon]

I sit here wondering what the world will be like after F/E is proven true...

Will we really stop fighting...?

Will it really be as profound as we all think it'd be...?

1000 years of peace...?

If our technoligies catch up with our consumption... what then...?

Will we consume more...?

We still have many more problems...

I suppose after our ability to generate energy is fullfilled in a working PMM tech, whats left is to do is... ???

Fix all the damage we caused...?

I personally believe the damage is done and the environment is only responding accordingly... naturally...

I think the ecological impact isn't what we thought... I believe its much more than we could of imagined...

When your activity changes things on a big scale, expect big changes...

I recently heard of large unknown deposits of methane and CO2 stored in the earth are being released by the smaller effects of our addition of pollutants into the environment, these deposits are increasing the heating of the planet beyond any of our estimates...

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I came up with a new wheel design last night... it seems too simple to actually work... its based off of the "letting go" wheel...

In the same way... the outer weights are moved in relation to the inner weights according to "weight set angle", sometimes re-evaluating an old idea with a modificatons of design may yield a working machine...???

It seems good on paper...

who knows, bessler himself said that the method was soo simple he worried the people would think it not worth paying him for...

here it is... take a gander... tell me what you think...

If "Fletcher" or anyone else could put this "simple design" into a pragram and see what comes of it...

thanx... I would love to get this idea of my back...

[Fletcher]

Hi Oxy,

Just a quick note - I'm makin' like a bald man (outta hair) for a few days, so no can do at this time.

Good luck

-fletcher

[jim_mich]

Oxygon,
If I were home I could have this tested with WM2D in about 15 or 20 minutes. The idea looks interesting! I'll be thinking about it for the next three days until I can model it.
Jim_Mich

[scott]

Thanks for sharing Oxy! But sorry, IMO this idea keels. I have found that if you use one set of weights to shift another set of weights using leverage, then the set of weights doing the shifting always keels. (just my $0.02!)
-Scott

[Neo]

Scott your right about that...made a SIM, instead of turning counter clockwise it turns clockwise the inner weights dictating direction until it keels.

Sorry Oxy :)

[Oxygon]

Really...

You wouldn't think soo...

"I am somewhat suspiscious of sims anyway..."

Guess my monkey will remain on my back until an actual model tells me the same...

I'll let you know what she says...

lol

:p

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Qxygon,
as i said before you had passed the gate too. It is not your fault that the simulation programs can not handle your designs. Great work from you.

For those who disagree I will try to explain what function is in that wheel, what you can not see.

Obviously we have a swinging system as BESSLER recommended. Nothing new, you will say. But the swinging is different. It swings fast up on one side of the wheel, and slow down, as i explained it with 'RUPFEN' and 'RUPFERER' in earlier mails.

For more understanding compare two rockets with the same amount of energy. One is releasing it's energy slowly, so that the rocket will stay on ground, held by gravity. The other will release its energy very fast, and will fly away. Think !! Qxygon is right.

We have to change our simulation programs that they can handle Bessler's designs and not only Newton's ones.

Fast up, slow down, up with German(reissen). UP in ZERO time is the key to gain energy from gravity.

the future has begun

Georg

[RonS]

Hi Scott
I am new to the group. could you explain what "keel" means in relation to the wheel turning around. The term is new to me.
Thanks RonS

[jim_mich]

Welcome RonS!

Basically 'keel' means bottom heavy as in the keel of a sail boat. If a wheel ends up with most of it's weight at the bottom then as the wheel turns the weights keep needing to be lifted, which prevents the wheel from turning. Many of us here at Scott's Besslerwheel forum just us the simple phrase 'keel' to refer to this problem.

I'm sure you have heard the term 'What goes up must come down'? With a gravity wheel 'What goes down must come up' and therein is the problem. Most wheels 'keel'.

Neo is most likely right in his SIM analysis but I'll give it a try also just for the fun of it later tonight.

[Oxygon]

These (Sims) seem to go against common sense...?

It can't keel...?!

the weights in the middle hardly vary from the axis by even a percent equivilant to cause a keeling effect...

the outer weights are further in and out on opposing sides... ...

Please run another sim, but I think "Georg Künstler" may have a point...

that the program are dependant on incorrect foundations...

I dont know, to keel just sounds fishy to me...

Doesn't it feel that way to you too...

And of all things... to turn clockwise...?!?!?!?

Can we all agree that according to our understandings that a "static test" of it current position and placement of wieghts would cause a counter clockwise imbalance...?????

Please answer...

Than how could it rotate clockwise...?????

all "wieghts inside" are presently in near equalibirium and the outer wieghts are not...

How can this (simulation) be correct...????

[ovyyus]

but I think "Georg Künstler" may have a point...
that the program are dependant on incorrect foundations...

But Georg can not prove his point. In the absence of demonstrable proof Georg's opinions are no more or less valid than anyone's. Georg has been teasing us for a long time now, but it would appear that he has nothing more substantial to offer than opinion.

[jim_mich]

Oxygon, I spent a couple hours tweeking this thing every way I could think of trying to make it work. But no, it refused to cooperate. It keels. I tried push starting it both ways on the attached pictures.

This has the same common problem of most wheels I've looked at in that trying to shift weights to produce an off balanced wheel always keels.

I feel strongly that when we find a wheel that works it will be balanced on average and use inertia to produce thrust on the wheel.

[Oxygon]

thanks jim_mich...

perhaps...

Did you try inverting the orientation of lever action on the outer wieghts?...

What I guess I mean by that or what I am trying to say is best illistrated in the following picture...

Becuase the inner mass seems to be more to the right of your SIM and keels the wheel because the forces accross the wheel even out, perhaps the invertion of lever action in reverse would undo this problem...??

here is the picture which best illistrates what I mean...

this just get more complicated...

maybe we should just jump ship on this idea...?

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[Jonathan]

I don't think your second revision will work either, and I suspect you misunderstood what they meant by keel in this case. The outer weights clearly do produce an unbalance. But the inner weights do too, as is self-evident in your drawings, that they tend to bunch toward one side. This reversal of leverage by a stick and two strings hasn't changed anything, because there is still an imbalance caused by the inner weights, and it is still contrary to the imbalance from the outer ones.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Bill,
Even if you think I have only ideas and nothing buildt, I can tell you that you are wrong. But find out which function was behind these models, wasn’t easy, against all ‘knowing’ and well educated and self named experts.

First I had the luck to build a version like the Blue Drum which all of you disagree that it will work. And I must say, that you are right when you build it as engineers do. But the Blue drum is a ‘Wrong’ construction in the sense of engineers, it is swinging in a resonance case, overloaded.

You had a better start basis as most of us had to develop a Besslerwheel, you had all old books from Bessler available, but you are not able to read and understand what he was saying.

Always repeating that I am wrong, will not suppress the truth. Had you been at a kindergarten as I supposed to do in earlier mails? Had you have a look to two children on a swing and one is jumping off? When suddenly one on the down going side is leaving the swing? It is dangerous for the other child, not for the jumper. So millions of models are still existing worldwide, they are built. And to be blind to see it, even if someone points to it is ignorance.

When you do really an analysis of a movement, it is not only a swing like a pendulum, it can also be a swing up and down. And when you only follow the definition of RUPFERER you will see your aim.

I will continue my work until my task is done and free energy is everywhere available and the self named experts must agree that they are wrong. Step by step more and more of this board members understand what I am doing and are building their own models with this knowledge.

I support free energy as much as I can without bringing me in danger, and so I will support Qxygon, because he is right, regardless what others think.

The future has begun

Georg