Bessler's Principle - Outside of a wheel

[justsomeone]

Do you believe the principle behind Bessler's wheel would work outside the confinements of a turning wheel?

Is a spinning wheel mandatory for the effect to work?

If you believe it must be in a wheel enviroment, then what does it tell us?

[AB Hammer]

Bessler insinuated that the wheel was only a cover.

[jim_mich]

Do you believe the principle behind Bessler's wheel would work outside the confinements of a turning wheel?

No.

Is a spinning wheel mandatory for the effect to work?

Yes.

If you believe it must be in a wheel enviroment, then what does it tell us?

Rotation is required for the principle to work. CF/EG is the only force produced by rotation.

[Tarsier79]

CF is also available to a pendulum, Jim

[jim_mich]

A pendulum is simply an OOB wheel that fails to rotate 360º.

[Tarsier79]

But in a Pendulum the CF is automatically on and off at different parts of its travel.

[FunWithGravity2]

Do you believe the principle behind Bessler's wheel would work outside the confinements of a turning wheel?

No.

Is a spinning wheel mandatory for the effect to work?

Yes.

If you believe it must be in a wheel enviroment, then what does it tell us?

Rotation is required for the principle to work. CF/EG is the only force produced by rotation.

100 % agreement with jims answers on this one.


Dave

[ovyyus]

justsomeone,

Yes.

No.

IMO, Bessler could demonstrate his basic principle (energy source doing work) very simply and without a large and complicated application (wheel). This is the case with every engine.

[jim_mich]

Bill, I disagree. I believe Bessler's energy source required rotary motion to produce CF/EG. Without the rotation the source of the energy does not exist. The rotation is needed to transfer momentum from a slower moving object to a faster moving object so as to cause an overall gain of KE. I've not found any other method whereby a slower moving object can spontaneously transfer momentum to a faster moving object.

[path_finder]

Dear Jim_Mich,
I would be not so much affirmative, suspecting this: once discovered the principle could be applied to an almost horizontal wheel, with just a main axis not exactly vertical.
In that case the CF could be applied, the only difference being the value of the gravity field (almost reduced by the almost horizontal position).
This concept could have been used by Mr Gurbakhsh Sing Mann.(see this old topic here:http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 7123#67123)

edited: direct link to his Web site:
http://gurbakhshsinghmannglobalenergy.com/biz/index.htm
go far in the middle of the URL.

[Tarsier79]

I suspect all you need for that one Pathfinder, Is cheap Indian labor to keep pouring the water into the top.

[ovyyus]

Jim, I guess you have to disagree :)

But your proposed inertia energy source has not yet been proven and demonstrated to exist. I'm sure you might agree that, historically at least, design and construction of an engine always follows basic proof and demonstration of the energy source which drives it - never the other way around. I doubt Bessler's engine will be different in that regard.

[alexjrgreen]

Contrails (vapour trails) behind aircraft are caused by several mechanisms, one of which is the conservation of angular momentum. Lift generated by a wing cause a vortex to form at the tip and turbulent air quickly detaches this from the aircraft. The rotating horizontal column of air then has no obvious power source and might be expected to quickly degenerate. Instead, however, its angular momentum is conserved by taking energy from the motion of the surrounding air, cooling it down and causing water vapour to condense producing a contrail.

One of Bessler's drawings is of a children's top, of the kind that turns itself upside down. As it slows down it raises its centre of gravity, borrowing rotational energy in order to conserve angular momentum.

Another Bessler drawing shows a governor, as used in steam engines. As the governor rotates, two opposing weights rise up against gravity.

How much work is done against gravity by this motion? What happens if the weights are held down while power is applied and only released afterwards?

[ovyyus]

Welcome to the information age :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals...

[alexjrgreen]

Read a bit further:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail#C ... n_pressure

As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices