A Running German Gravity Wheel Exhibited In 1927

[path_finder]

Dear dradford,
I'm not surprised if some devices (like Bessler wheel) were disappeared, even heavy, big, etc. and with a lot of witnesses.
This is the case today of the flying platform of Grebennikov, although attested by some witnesses, described in the local newspaper, and even better: displayed for few days in the local museum and then stolen (by the KGB?).

In 1992, in “Molodost Sibiri� newspaper, a pre release of Grebennikov’s book “My world� was published. The photographs of Grebennikov
flying by his platform were published in the article for the first time. The photographs were also published in “Tehnika molodezhi� magazine.

This text is an excerpt from the document located here:
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Issue21.pdf
For memory, the controversial story of Grebennikov:
http://www.keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm


Another interesting articles from the same issue:

The question of the preset of the wheel motion by a spring:

A perpetuum mobile model shown at Paris exhibition in the middle of XIX century can be an example of such a pseudo exposure.
The engine had a form of a continuously rotating wheel with weights moving inside it.
People interested could stop it by making a strong effort; after that the wheel continued rotating.
A journalistic "exposure" of the perpetuum mobile was a presence of a spring in the wheel.
Ostensibly, the spring became twisted during the device's stop and was a source of rotation energy.
It is interesting that no scientists disputed such an "exposure".
How can the law of energy conservation work if the engine's wheel continues rotating while energy is always spent for its stop?
Possibly, there was a flywheel inside a wheel with the spring attached to it, which became twisted during the wheel's stop by the flywheel's inertia while a
locking device connected to the frame prevented the flywheel from untwisting.
Thus, the spring created the effort necessary for starting the wheel's motion after a stop.
Further motion could happen only due to the weights' motion inside the wheel.
By the way, Orffyreus' wheel needed an effort imparting initial velocity of rotation, too.

Read also page 53 of the PDF file (page 49 of the document) an device from the Bessler's time allowing the lift-up of water, a suggestion for a gravity engine (although many times already discussed in this forum)

[silverfox]

In addition to any indifference or the deliberate suppression of certain concepts or ideas, there's also the not so little problem of things simply getting "forgotten" as culture and technology evolves and those two continuously interact with one another.

We might view that as a something of a "work in process" but the perspective and attitudes we've simply inherited and apply to virtually everthing, (and not necessarily for the better), are themselves a by-product of that very process.

When Newton became the instant poster-boy for a purely material and mechanistic model of the universe and everything in it, including human beings, the so-called "new science" that resulted quite literally "swept house" in all the Natural Philosophy departments of every last school and university over the ensuing decades.

As a result of that scientific "revolution" all the metaphysical and philosophical literature as well as the cirriculums, models and teaching devices that were originally used in that study of Natural Philosophy were just quietly put out with the trash or else locked-up in dusty vaults or storage rooms with no record ever being kept of either the event nor what any those materials were or were used for.

In a word they were simply "erased" as everything went up for grabs in the ensuing rush to completely re-difine all previous knowledge on a purely experimental and empirical basis. Naturally, anything that didn't fit or lend itself to that process was either "eliminated" or simply placed "off limits".

As we ourselves become more and more dependent on digital and solid state technology and engineering, it grows ever more distant and remote from it's purely analog and mechanical origins which are only a distant memory now for most of us or completely unknown to the younger generations.

As the ups and downs of our economy have changed, many of the natural keepers or preservers of that history and information have themselves simply become "obsolete" and put out with the trash right along with it.

What is most important about that is that it's our common and everyday utensils and appliances, the otherwise "ordinary" items in our lives and which most directly affect how we live and understand them that wind-up getting lost in that process. As you look into that you soon discover that that phenomenon isn't new by any means and runs pretty much throughout all human history.

One of the rarer gems I've uncovered in my own research and which I'm sure many here will find both interesting and entertaining is "507 Mechanical Movements" that was originally published in 1868 and is actually free and available on-line.

It is a fairly complete compendium of all the basic mechanics that were known up until that time and in a world that was far more mechanically minded than we have ever been either before or since.

Naturally, in trying to recover a technology that only briefly appeared and then was just as quickly lost in the mid 1700's we need to try and collect as much information as we can about not only what was genuinely known at that time but as much of the mind-set and perspective that went along it.

Our conciets and bias about what we presumably know ourselves at this point in time or our own sense of "modernity" is a far bigger and more difficult stumbling block in this task than I think far too many of us either realize or may be willing to admit.

This not so little item helped me, at least, to go a long way in recognising and accepting just how difficult and daunting that particular aspect of it actually is.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/441240/Five-h ... -movements

[nicbordeaux]

Fascinating, thank you indeed. 68 is of great interest.

[dradford]

I don't wish to sound rude, but you are derailing the thread somewhat. The question is- where ARE all of these apparently working gravity wheels?
Silverfox, I don't know what you are talking about.
These were real, substantial pieces of machinery. They would have been obviously valuable to anybody who saw them, whether they understood what they were or not. They wouldn't be easy to destroy, and why would anybody destroy what appeared to be such a valuable piece of machinery? So they most probably still exist, what we need to do is FIND them.
They didn't "wind up getting lost" and they are nothing like everyday utensils and appliances. They were one of a kind, and presumably very impressive articles, so where are they all? How can they all have gone missing?

[rocky]

John Collins wrote:

Many years ago I researched all available magazines published world wide but I did not get around to investigating the newspapers, so as far as I'm concerned it's an untapped resource.

Question for JC: You said you researched PM in magazines published worldwide. Have you shared on this forum any interesting PM articles you have found? If yes, remember the topic? If no, are you saving them for a new book? The forum members have written that they like reading here about the articles I have found and have asked me to post more. Can you post the articles you have found? Are any of the articles I have found new to you?

I have just discovered a gold mine for PM research. In my nation’s capitol, Washington, D.C., we have the Library of Congress. I just found out they have a free digital online library of all major newspapers published in this country covering hundreds of years. They also have a good search engine where you can look for an exact phrase; I use “perpetual motion�. The search engine on this forum database will not do a phrase which makes it very difficult to research past topics.

Are there any forum members that can tell me does your country have a national library with digital archives and public access like my Library of Congress does? I can not find any links online to such.

Since the forum members wrote they would like to see more PM articles, I’ll post the American newspaper articles in groups as I find them. Here is the first group:

The St. Louis Republic. (St. Louis, Mo.), Aug. 11, 1901, Magazine Section, pg. 36

ST. LOUIS MAN THINKS HE HAS FOUND THE SECRET OF PERPETUAL MOTION -
Has Made a Machine Which Has Been Running for Thirty Days Without a New Supply of Power – He Calls His Secret “Force Momentum�.

A St. Louis man, Harry Burness Dean of 3701 Kossuth Avenue, thinks he has discovered the secret of perpetual motion. Dean is a machinist. His grandfather was a watchmaker, and he spent his life looking for the secret that would set aside the natural laws of gravity and friction. His father, a bookkeeper, did the same. They worked away with always the same result – failure. Harry followed in their lead.

He came upon his discovery about the first of June. He says: “I got my idea while working for a clock company which manufactures electric self-winding clocks. I was working on a clock which had been sent back. In readjusting the winding part, I accidently left a little side screw loose in the pin the regulates the winding, making over half an inch play. There should not have been any play at all. When I connected it to the dry battery for testing I found that with the half-inch play or travel, the clock was rewound sufficiently to run twenty minutes instead of the normal six. That is as much of the discovery as I can tell you. The rest is my idea based upon it. I do not use electricity. My machine manufactures its own power to run itself with a little surplus power. I call my secret power the ‘force momentum.’ I place a certain amount of power in the machine in the first place. This is never lost. No fuel is needed to keep this power alive. Every five minutes the machine winds itself. It will do this until the machine wears out. With hardened brass and the best steel its life should be long. I have not overcome friction, and my machine does not run contrary to gravity, but I consider it perpetual motion as it will run until the metal wears out.�

The model, which Dean keeps locked away in a trunk at his home, is a simple clock, with perhaps a little less mechanism than that of the ordinary one. His model is made from the works of an ordinary alarm clock, with the little secret mechanism added. The speed is regulated the same as any clock or watch. There are no weights. Our reporter visited him. “Here, I will show it to you,� he said. Lifting a ticking bundle from his trunk, he threw it into the air and shook it, turned it over and over, holding it in all position, but there was still the same steady tick, marking off the seconds. But he could not be prevailed upon to show his secret.

“Will your machine be practical for use in running heavy machinery?� he was asked. “It will.� he declared. “My secret can be worked in running the biggest mills. In propelling sea vessels and in transporting from one end of the country to the other. There is no limit to its use. I can do anything with it. It will do away with coal, wood and all kinds of fuel. It will replace electricity and steam. I have discovered something better than any other person has discovered. I have distanced them all – Franklin, Morse, Fulton, Edison, Marconi, all of them. A man in the automobile trade is interested in my machine. My machine in automobiles would mean a wonderful improvement. The weight and noise would be done away with. The vehicle could move along with the stealth of a cat.�

Bisbee Daily Review (Bisbee, Ariz.) Aug. 15, 1902, pg. 1

PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE RUNNING
Kansas City Mechanic Exhibits a Simple Contrivance Which He and Others Believe Solves the Vexatious Problem.

Kansas City, Aug. 14 – J. S. Grimes, a mechanic who was born in Yell county, Arkansas, and can barely read and write, exhibited a perpetual motion machine in the office of the Kansas City Journal tonight that runs for hours with no other power than that furnished by the machine itself. The Invention is simple, but it is the result of twenty years work. Grime first took a circular piece of cut from a thick board and trimmed down the edge to resemble a circular switchback railway. In the centre of this board he fastened a second circular board on a steel post that fit into a ball-bearing bicycle axle.

To the top board was fastened, by means of a rod, a small wheel, which was so fixed that it would strike at each revolution of the upper board at a point near the top of the incline plane of the lower board, the lower board being slightly inclined. Grimes than placed a weight on top of the upper disc, placed the wheel at the top of the inclined plane, released it and the machine began to move and continued in motion until stopped by its inventor.

The machine is started by the wheel running down the incline on one side. This takes the weight on the opposite side away from the center of gravity and carries the machine around until the wheel strikes the top of the incline again when new force is imparted to the revolving upper disk.

Grimes says he worked for six years before he discovered a way to force the carrier wheel over the highest point of the circular track, although the distance to overcome was less than an inch. A company is being organized to exploit the invention.

Arizona Silver Belt (Globe City, Pinal County, Ariz.) Oct. 5, 1905, pg. 6 [ Did you know about this Doc? Ever see it? ]

DOINGS IN PHOENIX AND THE SALT RIVER VALLEY

The Gila Valley Bank is the possessor of a new clock, of which the entire force is very proud. Cashier Smith claims that the clock is constructed on the principal of perpetual motion, and it is said to be the only clock of the kind in existence. As soon as the clock was completed the inventor died, and the great secret died with him, hence the bank possesses the only perpetual motion clock in the world. This new time piece is attracting much attention.
[ Gila Valley Bank was in Solomon, Arizona. It became the Valley National Bank Of Arizona. ]

Hoplinsville Kentuckian (Hopkinsville, Ky.) Jun. 24, 1909, pg. 1

Perpetual Motion – Brooklyn Carpenter Says He Has Solved the Riddle

New York, June 22. – Another man registered a claim today as a discoverer of perpetual motion. He is Frank McMahon, a white-haired carpenter of Brooklyn who has invented a wheel with twelve spokes. On the end of each spoke is a sliding weight which is connected with a piston on the spoke behind. These sliding weights, Mr. McMahon says, make one side of the wheel heavier than the other. Thus gravity makes the wheel revolve. Fearing that someone might steal his invention, McMahon would not show it until he hears from the patent office.

The San Francisco Call (San Francisco, Calif.), Mar. 29, 1896, pg. 25

Perpetual Motion – A James County Tennessee boy is said to have discovered the long sought-for “perpetual motion.�

The latest claimant for this honor is Bert Howell, aged 20 years, who lives on his father’s farm in James County, about twenty miles from Chattanooga. He has, by a combination of cogs, wheels, springs, etc., produced a machine which of its own volition, without assistance, has been running for several weeks. When Howell returns from his plow at the end of each day he finds his little machine running as though for dear life. When he arises from his bed in the morning that little mystery is found to be still at its incessant work, and it keeps up its movements from day to day as thought it were trying to annihilate time.

Young Howell thinks he has produced perpetual motion and is so jealous of his secret that he has his machined nailed up securely in a box, and the only part visible is a shaft, to which a flywheel is attached. The wheel never stops in its endless whirl. Attachments have been made to several grinding-mills of neighboring farmers, and the work of grinding goes rapidly on. Howell is a poor boy, having no money with which to have his device patented, but a neighbor has furnished the funds for the purpose. A duplicate machine is now at Washington in the Patent Office. – Chattanooga News.

Fort Worth Daily Gazette (Fort Worth, Tex.) Apr. 27, 1888, pg. 2

LATEST IN PERPETUAL MOTION
A man in Oneida Has Discovered the Secret – His Machine

For the last twenty years David Jennings of Oneida, NY, has been trying to solve perpetual motion. He has had his machine in operation for several days in the Evans house. The workings of the machine have been witnessed by at least a thousand people, as far distant as Philadelphia, New York, Boston and Chicago. At the time, the Herald’s reporter and artist visited Mr. Jennings at his model-room and workshop. In the center of the room stands the 97th model that Mr. Jennings has experimented upon. The inventor allowed an examination of the machine, and he proceeded to set his motor in motion.

The machine is suspended in a wooded frame about 6 ft. long, 2 ft. wide, and 7 ft. high. It is in the form of an endless chain which runs in the figure of a triangle over three pulleys, leaving three spaces or grades to pass over: one going down, another up, and a third about on a level. The line traversed is nearly like the framework of a harp standing upright. The down line of the chain is nearly as long as the other two. The links are about 2 inches in length, and are almost in the shape of a triangle. At the top of the frame is located the main pulley, over which the chain runs. It is attached to a small shaft, which is geared to a fly wheel about 3 ft. in circumference, and which, Mr. Jennings said, could be made to make about 1,000 revolutions a minute.

The links of the chain are so made with automatic working hooks that as they move over the wheel at the top and begin to descend, the hooks catch up every other link and make a double chain of it. The links are held in place until each one begins to turn to go up, when the hook drops out and the chain moves by single links. Mr. Jennings says that the weight going up is only about half that when coming down. The increased weight downward serves to pull the single link chain up and around the two sides of the triangle, the inventor says.

The main pulley-wheel on top is composed of two disks, upon the outer edge of which rest the axles which run through the links of the chain, and which it supports as the chain runs over the wheel. The chain must be properly hooked by hand before it can be started on its first perpetual motion tour. To start the motor, Mr. Jennings removed a small pin located on an upper corner of the frame, and apparently the chain started off on its triangular tour without any power, and gradually gained momentum. Mr. Jennings stepped to the opposite side of the frame and regulated the motion with a small brake.

“It has been 21 years since I built my first model to try and solve the perpetual motion problem,� said Mr. Jennings. “I have built 97 models, and experimented on more than 60 different principles.� In reference to securing a patent on his invention, Mr. Jennings said: “The papers are in Washington, and my Syracuse attorneys are hastening matters as much as possible.� - Syracuse Herald

-Rocky

[John Collins]

Question for JC: You said you researched PM in magazines published worldwide. Have you shared on this forum any interesting PM articles you have found? If yes, remember the topic? If no, are you saving them for a new book? The forum members have written that they like reading here about the articles I have found and have asked me to post more. Can you post the articles you have found? Are any of the articles I have found new to you?

It's a reasonable question Rocky and I had given it some thought before you asked it. I did the magazine research back in the 1970s and 1980s at Birmingham, (England) Central Libray as well as the British Museum Library and several others, and read every entry I could find in the British Library Catalogue
http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/?func=file&fil ... in-bl-list
which at that time connsisted of hundreds of huge volumes containing a record of every single published item in the UK. Now it's online but at the time you had to request the original from the Library stack and read it, or get the article photocopied. I did read everything which appeared under the term 'perpetual motion', but the photocopies if they still exist are locked away in storge along with the hundreds of letters I wrote and received from and toa museuma round the world. I cannot get at them at this time but I think I mentioned some of the magazines by name in my initial biography on Bessler.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful but I guess others can find them the same way I did but more easily thanks to the online service.

JC

[nicbordeaux]

I don't wish to sound rude, but you are derailing the thread somewhat. The question is- where ARE all of these apparently working gravity wheels?
Silverfox, I don't know what you are talking about.
These were real, substantial pieces of machinery. They would have been obviously valuable to anybody who saw them, whether they understood what they were or not. They wouldn't be easy to destroy, and why would anybody destroy what appeared to be such a valuable piece of machinery? So they most probably still exist, what we need to do is FIND them.
They didn't "wind up getting lost" and they are nothing like everyday utensils and appliances. They were one of a kind, and presumably very impressive articles, so where are they all? How can they all have gone missing?

Dradford my lad, the thing has value to it's inventor and those who know him and know or believe or know it works. Give it a generation and it'll have passed though many hands. It's main use -the initial use not being understood or remebered- would be firewood and scrapmetal. Collecting useless old stuff is a very 20th century hobby.

[LustInBlack]

I don't wish to sound rude, but you are derailing the thread somewhat. The question is- where ARE all of these apparently working gravity wheels?
Silverfox, I don't know what you are talking about.
These were real, substantial pieces of machinery. They would have been obviously valuable to anybody who saw them, whether they understood what they were or not. They wouldn't be easy to destroy, and why would anybody destroy what appeared to be such a valuable piece of machinery? So they most probably still exist, what we need to do is FIND them.
They didn't "wind up getting lost" and they are nothing like everyday utensils and appliances. They were one of a kind, and presumably very impressive articles, so where are they all? How can they all have gone missing?

Don't you get it, they used algodoo in 1717 to create those wheels!!

[LustInBlack]

I think these articles point to our best hope of ever finding the secret - one of these allegedly working wheels must still exist, in fact, I see no reason why ALL of them wouldn't still exist, it's not as if they were insubstantial items, nor that they were made out of wood, they would be heavy, metal objects, and would have been witnessed by thousands of people at the time. Surely there is more information we can find out from old newspaper articles, and the like, and also, could we not trace descendents of these inventors, or of the people who finally ended up in possession of these devices?

No No, you still don't understand.. They must work in a virtual environment to create useless virtual energy.. THAT IS what you are looking for...

[Grimer]

The trouble with these perpetual motion machines is that unless the inventor can explain why they work they are likely to be ignored.

When the Keenie and Bessler secrets are rediscovered I wouldn't be at all surprised if more of these legends of working machines were found to be true.

[Bill_Mothershead]

here is a FREE book in modern PDF

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/posti ... ply&t=3886

The main information on this web site has been gathered together into a
standard book format. You can download the main set of information,
including the patents, as an eBook, using this link eBook Release 16.7.
The document contains some 2,200 pages and has a file size of about 30
Mb which means that it will take some time to download. It is also possible
to use a background download from fileFactory. Alternatively, you can
pick individual chapters as you wish. May I suggest that you store anything
you download on your local drive as web sites do not remain in place for
ever. The last few updates to this document are listed here. This eBook
gets updated once per week on average, so I suggest that you download an
updated copy say, once per month.

It is downloadable by chapters...so this is most interesting....

Chapter 4 Gravitational Pulsed Systems: Lawrence Tseung's pulsed
wheel, Chas Campbell's pulsed flywheel, John Bedini's pulsed flywheel,
the water-jet generator, the Magnetic Pendulum, Johann Bessler's
gravity wheel, the Dale Simpson gravity wheel, the Veljko Milkovic
pendulum/lever system, the Dale Simpson hinged-plate system, the
Murilo Luciano gravity chain and Ivan Monk's Rotary Power Unit.
size 1 Mb, 20 Mar 2010 HTML

This is one really LONG web page so be sure to checkout
ALL the stuff....links to other ebooks...video links...patent stuff...
and "papers".

The site was "last updated" just last Sat.

[broli]

@rocky, thanks for digging this up. It caused me to dig further myself. The irony is that all these inventors were not granted one patent. The one that stood out the most is David Jenning's as the invention seems to be astonishingly simple. The only patent record owned to such name is this:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=dKFwAA ... &q&f=false

This could mostly likely be the same person as the location mentioned in the patent and the article are very near to each other on a map.

All of them have one thing in common. Not one of them is in use today. And most have another thing in common, the patenting process has miserably failed. It's really funny reading these articles and the side comments by the editors. Nothing has changes one bit over this course of time.

I'm truly ashamed of man when I see people in current times perhaps 200 years later still going down the same failed path and ending up with the same failed result. It's as if these people spit in the face of history, experience and knowledge. In fact it's sinful to be this ignorant. Completely ignoring FACTS and acting as being the "one". For these ignorant people only misery awaits, don't take it from me but from 200 years of news papers, magazines and patenting efforts.

I don't blame these old inventors in the articles. They were living in "innocent" times were the process of patenting was still in its youth and seemed a god send for every inventor. The capitalistic system has drilled to capitalize on everything.
However in 2010 and the world wide web this thought process is absolutely unforgivable. The truth can be dug up at the comfort of your living room. There's not a single excuse to make the same imbecilic mistakes.

Darwin was right, the dumbest will perish and the ones that can adapt will thrive.

[broli]

Here's another great source from one single news paper:

http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/ ... ame=2&GZ=T

From all the articles I read so far that claimed patent protection I could not find one patent of them.

[broli]

Kiowa County Press (Eads, Kiowa County)
Friday, March 27, 1908
Page: 4


PERPETUAL MOTION, SURE!

Inventor Cannot Stop Machine When Once Started.

Evanston, In.- After spending two years and putting a large amount of money into materials, J. O. Scott of this place claims to have solved the problem of perpetual motion. One machine, having been weakened in remodeling, flew to pieces after running a period of three minutes, and he is now at work on a new model of so substantial a pattern that it cannot fail to stand the test. A governor is all he lacks, claims Scott. After starting his machine, has no way of stopping it except to load it until it cannot run.

The machine, as has been the case with all previous experiments along this line, attempts to utilize gravity for power. On a six-foot wheel Scott claims to have an overbalancing weight of 140 pounds. Weights, cams and levers are used in its construction, but further than this, Scott will not reveal the workings of his model. The weights on one side extend 16 inches beyond the circumference of the wheel, and on the other side fall 4 inches within. He expects to have the machine completed in about two months.

[broli]

Kiowa County Press (Eads, Kiowa County)
Friday, March 27, 1908
Page: 4


PERPETUAL MOTION, SURE!

Inventor Cannot Stop Machine When Once Started.

Evanston, In.- After spending two years and putting a large amount of money into materials, J. O. Scott of this place claims to have solved the problem of perpetual motion. One machine, having been weakened in remodeling, flew to pieces after running a period of three minutes, and he is now at work on a new model of so substantial a pattern that it cannot fail to stand the test. A governor is all he lacks, claims Scott. After starting his machine, has no way of stopping it except to load it until it cannot run.

The machine, as has been the case with all previous experiments along this line, attempts to utilize gravity for power. On a six-foot wheel Scott claims to have an overbalancing weight of 140 pounds. Weights, cams and levers are used in its construction, but further than this, Scott will not reveal the workings of his model. The weights on one side extend 16 inches beyond the circumference of the wheel, and on the other side fall 4 inches within. He expects to have the machine completed in about two months.

The only interesting to note is the 4 to 1 ratios.

I think I'll make a habit of posting one article a day to shine the holy light on the demons that dwell around.