Gods Perpetual Motion See-Saw - by Joseph Morgese

[pstroud]

Friends,

I ran across a the following website over a year ago and saved it because it looked interesting:

http://www.freakiefries.com/animation/h ... 0text.html

PLEASE SEE THE WEBSITE ANIMATION & PICTURES & DETAILED DESCRIPTION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED BELOW.

A few months ago, I exchanged emailed with the inventor: Joseph Morgese. He is very nice and this concept was given to him from God. I respect that. He did an excellent job documenting every single detail in drawings and created an animation. He filed for a patent (but I don't think he got it). This is about 15 years old. He indicates that he has not built the device to prove that it works but he believes very strongly in it.

I woke up one night recently thinking about this and finally decided to look into it in more detail. I was interested in breaking it down to the bare bone basics of weight balance. After a few hours of analysis, I determined that it would balance and did not need a basic physical test to confirm.

I would like to get the other experts here to privide a second opinion.

Here is what I determined from my initial analysis. First, there is a basic see-saw. It has a fixed pole (floor to roof) towards each end that the shifter mechanism rides on. There is a diamond shape that is fixed to the see-saw on a bearing. This diamond-shape appears to have bearings fixed to it that enable it to ride up / down the pole to keep it level. This diamond shape has the shifter mechanism attached that therefore always remains horizontal and the ball/weight rides back and forth on it.

I hopefully believe that all other details of the mechanism can possibly be ignored to focus on the above basics. In summary, I believe that the weight can be moved to any side of the shifter platform and it will not change the balance of the see-saw. The pressures of the weight will be pressed against the fixed poles in the ground. Therefore, there wil probably only be the base weight of the weight pressing on the see-saw's fixed point / bearing that is holding up the horizontal shifter mechanism above it.

Freinds, Please analyze the attached website / animation / description / tech drawings and let me know what your opinion is on this. If you think there is something to this, I can run a "basic test" on the balance but my initial conclusion is that it will balance out. I may be overlooking some key features that make it out of balance when I striped the concept down to the basics.

Preston Stroud

[jim_mich]

We looked at this a long time ago.



Ref: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=540 (Sep 26, 2004)
Ref: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3517 (Dec 25, 2009)

[pstroud]

I've been so busy with work, home life and focusing on physical shop work on my owm PM project that I rarely go to Bessler wheel any more to read the threads. It is time consuming and with being a working family man, I have very little free time and it must be prioritized.

Jim, Thanks for the links. I did not realize that this had been discussed and even so recently.
(Edit: On any other subject / concept, I usually do extensive research.....)

Joe did put a LOT of effort into his project and I am very impressed. I did not know he was a member here. I just gave him a green dot for his efforts. Nice job Joe!

However, it looks like the forum concensus matches my initial conclusion that it will balance. (Sorry Joe).

I've been in the shop tonight helping the kids start building a wooden rocket ship and starting on my next PM concept build. It is related to the Mann Gravity Mover project that I spent 8-10 months replicating (and still believe works but I don't have the metal working skills to perfect it). The concept still fascinates me and now I have a new Japanese twist to it.

Later!
Preston

[Tarsier79]

Hey Preston,

This device works on the same principle as the japanese oscillator you posted a while ago. It's not that it balances, It unbalances in the wrong direction. The weight on the inside drops, due to the imbalance in the see-saw.

I just wish people would stop thanking god for their visions of non-working pm devices!

[kenfree]

I just wish people would stop thanking god for their visions of non-working pm devices!

I dis-agree Tarsier79,

In a way we all have what we believe in. I prefer to respect every person's individual belief. To that person who believes his ideas are from God, let him give gratitude as he wishes. If there is an error in the idea, then let him also sort it out with his God. In a way things balance themselves out.
I was once an atheist and firmly did not believe in the existence of God and would not take any talk about God seriously. But to date I don't have the slightest doubt about His existence and that He does give ideas and visions to man. I am a firm believer in God the father, the son and the Holy spirit. I have also realized that many times God given ideas may not be complete in themselves but require man's own input and effort in terms of study and intellectual input. They require growth just in the same way as a baby.(No one is born an adult). So an idea may not work at first but possibly is the beginning point towards a working one. We are also human and may error. We might perceive that an idea is from God but in real it is not. This is why I think focus should be more on the idea and we leave the rest - gratitude, vote of thanks, dedication etc to the originator. In the end if we achieve a working machine, we would benefit from it regardless of where it came from. So let every person source idea from wherever he can and lets put it on the table. If(maybe) giving gratitude is part of the procedure, then who can stop the person from doing it?[/quote]

[Grimer]

I agree with Kenfree.

But then with my Miraculous Medal avatar I suppose it's obvious I would, eh!

[pstroud]

Very Well Said - Kenfree...

Preston

[Grimer]

The best article I have come across on the Roberval Balance (for that is what is being discussed here) is this one. Once read one will never be deceived by this device again,



You can read a slightly different and fuller version here.

[Tarsier79]

Kenfree,

I also believe in god, but I don't think god gives a rats about someone discovering a gravity wheel, nor will he stop you or me getting hit by a car, or falling off a cliff. IMO God doesn't get involved in the actions of man, but i am not going to try to convince you of that, because I aren't versed in the ways of brainwashing, like so many religions are. God and the Bessler wheel are two separate and unrelated topics. Praying for a working wheel isn't going to get you one.


In the Perpetual motion see-saw listed above, the see saw bars aren't exactly parallel, like the roverbial balance weights you have shown above.The see-saw movement here depends on which weight will move the furthest at that particular position, in this case it is the innermost weight. It's like roverbial balance gone too far(Just like his claims of divine intervention).

[pstroud]

To be honest about this, religion and Bessler have a LOT in common. I have purchased & read all of JC's books on Bessler. There are bible references throughout the books and in the addendum. I have always believed the bible references could be codes to deciphering the secret in his books. In addition to the body of the books, the declaration of faith in poetica apologia list about 140 bible references.

I have attached some notes I took when reading a couple of JC's books but this does not go into the extensive bible references form the books, only the things I noted as possible clues.

For anyone that had read Bessler's books, it will be revealed that religion and Bessler are tightly intertwined. If we ignore the religious aspect of it, we may be ignoring the very clues that decipher the coding of the mystery.

Preston Stroud

[broli]

To be honest about this, religion and Bessler have a LOT in common. I have purchased & read all of JC's books on Bessler. There are bible references throughout the books and in the addendum. I have always believed the bible references could be codes to deciphering the secret in his books. In addition to the body of the books, the declaration of faith in poetica apologia list about 140 bible references.

I have attached some notes I took when reading a couple of JC's books but this does not go into the extensive bible references form the books, only the things I noted as possible clues.

For anyone that had read Bessler's books, it will be revealed that religion and Bessler are tightly intertwined. If we ignore the religious aspect of it, we may be ignoring the very clues that decipher the coding of the mystery.

Preston Stroud

About this point in time it's safe to say that any "clue" can be bent anyway you like if someone indeed comes up with a working wheel. The clues are almost irrelevant to trying to build a gravity wheel. Bessler accomplished it with dedication and that's the only fact there is, the rest is speculation.

The only place where clues lead to success is in hollywood movies.

[Tarsier79]

It is obvious Bessler also attributed his wheel to god. I am not denying that. At least he had a working device!

[joemorgese]

Hi Preston

When I decided to call it 'God's Perpetual Motion See Saw', it was a combination purpose, given that I had received the vision in meditation, and given that, ten years later, an incredible force of love took over me through the memory of the Girls of FreakieFries, and it got me working on it just to impress them, that I thought that this was a supernatural event...and I also thought that as an offering to God, that God would bless the endeavor.

In 1992, I went to the Patent office in Washington DC, to look at the prior attempts and I was dismayed at all the similar ideas...and I see that there is one very similar one posted right here on the Bessler wheel...

This thing that I have come to call God's Algorithm, which includes this invention, but also some very powerful meditation techniques along with very simple theory as to why and how they work, as found on my web-site FreakieFries.com, and also, this incredible conviction about the evils of religion, that brought us to 911 and the war on terrorism...such a powerful conviction...to the point of considering the irresponsible behavior of religion to be criminal...

I have come to recognize how, even though I haven't been able to get beyond the design and animation of God's Perpetual Motion See Saw, this was a communication channel that opened up for me to receive this invention....I who never thought of...nor ever trained to do this sort of thing...was able to fluidly convert this vision into the animation...a channel which has opened up for inventing meditation techniques and for powerful convictions...

I have committed myself to finish building God's Perpetual Motion See Saw only as a spiritual pledge...following this has been an actual boon for me...even if it never gets beyond the animation...

I am proud of the meditation technique that I just began sharing this year...it is very powerful...very simple...
my book...my song...my movie rights...FreakieFries franchise restaurants...

and bringing the vatican to justice for the Holocaust...all part of God's Algorithm....

however, I remain intrigued by 'God's Perpetual Motion See Saw' and I am having a lot of fun with it...I have contacted many world leaders and venture capitalists...many wealthy people know of me all around the world...because I wrote many of them myself...as part of God's Algorithm...

I am not really an inventor but more of a medium...who passed along this design...the meditations...the absolute convictions of the evils of religion...but I will continue to build 'God's Perpetual Motion See Saw' because I believe in it very strongly...and I don't anyone's opinion about it...I've heard every reason for the last almost twenty years about why it won't work and non of them have been able to stop this from moving forward...It's going to happen!
Sincerely and lovingly
Joe Morgese

[joemorgese]

Dear Fellow Bessler Enthusiasts:

Look!...throughout history, the naysayers have been shown wrong...many times...
Galileo was thrown in the slammer for saying that the earth revolved around the sun ...

look around you...every invention that we have...and now take for granted...some of them...met with very harsh skepticism...

at around 1900... someone had proposed shutting down the US patent office because "everything that could be invented has been, so there is no longer any need for it"

in the Fifties...someone ran the 4 minute mile...and suddenly, many others were running the 4 minute mile...which should tell you something about human nature

just look at this invention...God's Perpetual Motion See Saw...designed by an untrained individual...having all these supernatural events happen to me that got me started on it...

I received the vision in 1982 and forgot about it...and by 1992, because of this incredible deep love for the Girls of FreakieFries...girls from way back ...1972...took over me in 1992...

who is doing this to me?...why did I get this vision that informed me that it was perpetual motion and that I could build it...a vision so quick and unclear...

where did my confidence come from...to go ahead and start Heaven on Earth Appreciation Society...as a way to sell shares and build it...this...even before I had any design for it...so strong is my inner belief about this

who knew things about the Girls of FreakieFries that is sharing anecdotal occurrences from 1972/73...which I guess I should have realized myself but didn't?

and most importantly...what would this invention do ...with regards to the issues facing Humanity at the moment?

isn't it possible that because my meditations allowed me to pierce the veil into the "other side"...and some caring entity...wanted to bring this invention across?...a caring entity which I have begun calling God...and whom I felt was very pleased by this...

I suppose my choice was... one...to dismiss the whole thing as crazy deluded ravings of a madman...lol
or...let me see where this leads...

I chose the latter...it is fun!....my love for meditation made me decide...if it comes from beautiful meditation...then it must be good...

and I still some almost thirty years since the vision, believe I can do it!

and as soon as I find me a rich woman to love...lol...I will devote full time to it....as well as go traveling to exotic places and hobnobing with the rich and famous...lol...

hey...lol...never hurts to dream

[broli]

The problem is that the design looks very similar to famous models of the past. These models show that to keep a platform horizontal at all times you must sacrifice torque, which would have caused the leverage. So you only end up with the pull of gravity. No leverage means no heavier side and thus it will balance no matter where the weights are on the platform.

In your case the linear vertical rails which hold the platform horizontal would seem to kill the torque. Thus the ball being on the left or right of the platform has the same effect when it comes to leverage as its torque component has been killed by the rails.

If you disagree please share why, perhaps there's something I overlooked.