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4g63tmaniac wrote:If you think I am making a stupid suggestion, feel free to correct me...but at least be prepared to tell me WHY you think it is a stupid suggestion.
Using magnets is a stupid suggestion. Magnets and gravity are both like springs. Any force applied is returned in equal quantity. There is no way to gain extra energy from the simple pull of magnets, even combined with gravity.

If you can control the strength of magnets then you might have a possible energy source. But so far, the strength of permanent magnets cannot be varied by any known means.


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Magnets may be used to furhter reduce drag and friction on a conventional wheel, but your not going that direction.

Whatever the case, some people here may be a bit synical, don't let that deter you from your objective. I have been going through many old posts, and plenty of good ideas have been prematurely discredited. Although Im sure you have a well formulated plan, it does sound difficult to materialize (because I am beleiver in simplicity)

What I can say is, if you want to be the first to build a runner, you had best hurry, because this mystery is near its end.

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4g63tmaniac you are a poxy fucking bastard .
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Ealadha, go wash your mouth. It is filthy. We do not need that type of language here.


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Ah, finally someone to ask me to prove this.

Ok, any work a magnet does takes the same amount of work to reverse, correct?

Good deal, I follow.

I direct your attention to exhibit "A"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=fvw

This video shows a row of magnets being used to accelerate a magnetic ball bearing at a high rate of speed. To remove this magnet, it should theoritically require the same amount of force it produced to pull it back. Correct?

May I direct your attention to exhibit "B"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bUdaSX ... re=related

In this video, you will note that you can direct this forward momentum up to pretty much any height you wish. Once again, to remove the ball in the direction it arrived requires an equal amount of energy. To pull the ball off straight down will also require the same amount of energy. I get that. However, if one has ever attempted to remove a magnet from another magnet I'm sure you have discovered that releasing the magnet from the side tends to require a little less energy than straight up from the poles.

I now direct you to exhibit "C"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Iwt84dopM

In this video, you will see something more basic. A leverage based gravity wheel. Balls drop off from the outside rail, get picked up closer to the middle pivot point. Etc. Etc. Etc., it doesn't work.

BUT...If one was to remove the weights going up the wheel, and have ball bearings pouring down only on one side...I believe we would have a water wheel would we not? And they tend to turn relatively easy.

In case you're not following me, you use the magnets the lift the ball bearings to a top point where they will hang precariously above the wheel. As the wheel turns, the ball that is hanging is snatched off by the torque of the wheel, and rides down the outside edge as shown in exhibit "C". Where does this torque come from? Why, the river of ball bearings running down the outside edge of the wheel.

If you need more power to remove that ONE little ball bearing that is dangling above the wheel, simply enlarge the wheel so the outside edge is larger and holds more balls on one side.

So, herein lies my solution. GRAVITY is used to pull the weight of anywhere between 18 to 100 balls down on one side. They get fired up the ramp. Since they are magnetized, they will naturally repel one another. They naturally space themselves out so that when the first one is picked off, the next one moves into it's location. You are using the weight of 100 balls to remove only 1 from a magnet.

So up until this point I follow you. Now can you explain to me why this would not work? By the way, my design is based loosely on this theory, but i have simplified mine quite a bit further. While I feel as if I'm giving away all my secrets, I have already come up with a better version. If I patent my idea, this would be the one for the people who want to build their own.
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Ealadha wrote:4g63tmaniac you are a poxy fucking bastard .
Hello, guys!
Good thread!
In the opportunity I want to wish you all the very best and scary holloween! :[
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Dear 4g63tmaniac,
Many thanks for sharing your ideas.
This is very close from some other ideas discussed yet on this forum like here: http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/100.html.
At least one working wheel has been made in the past, based on a similar principle but without any magnets, only the gravity, by reducing the gravity with a ramp.
See here: http://keelynet.com/energy/mptoy.htm
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
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@ pathfinder You are correct. That idea you showed in your picture is the same principle. The only difference is YOUR picture uses the leverage of the falling weights to move the weights back up. My weights do not have anything to lift.

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My weights do not have anything to lift, but they do have to pull one weight away from a magnet. However, you have the combined weight of all weights pulling the single weight off the magnet, whereas in all these other designs, you are required to carry up an amount of mass using only the weight of an equal amount of mass. I'm not saying it couldn't be done...just saying that in my opinion, my idea is more plausible and/or more easily done.
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path_finder wrote: ...
At least one working wheel has been made in the past, based on a similar principle but without any magnets, only the gravity, by reducing the gravity with a ramp.
See here: http://keelynet.com/energy/mptoy.htm
Mmm.....Endorsing Bruce's uncle's toy, eh! I'm impressed.

With your constructional skills I'm surprised you don't build one and claim your Nobel prize for perpetual motion. Admittedly constructing a Bernoulli vortex spiral isn't the easiest of tasks - but I'm sure unlike me who can only talk the talk and therefore needs the cooperation of my friendly builder you would be able to walk the walk as well.

Why not give it a go?
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Dear Grimer,
First I never claimed for the Nobel prize (I don't know where you found that in my messages) not being an eminent member of the established official science, very happy in my job and family status, and with the will to be still kept hidden as long as possible. In fact the purpose of my presence in this forum has been already explained here:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 5854#55854
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 6502#56502

So far the 'uncle's toy' don't interest me, even if it works, it is not very useful for powering my project of merry-go-round.
If someday the Bessler wheel is solved by someone I will be happy, but it is also not useful for me because the same reason.
I'm much more interested to solve the problem of the flowerbowl per example, of the Tesla gravitic engine, or any system working thanks the gravity under a limited volume and furnishing a significant torque (note the three-stages 'Hamel like' gravitic device can be easily included in the central column of the merry-go-round, much more than a big Bessler vertical wheel).

Your messages are usually pertinent and I read them carefully even if you are often too much theoretical.
I think the solution will come obviously from the ideas, but also for a lot from the practical building of these ideas.
At my level I'm trying to apply this policy, and to share every step of my experiments, hoping somebody will give me sometime the small suggestion for the missing gap.
If there are no comments I still continue my path.
The only reason of my important contribution (in terms of amount of posts and drawings) is to put in the public domain the maximum of data allowing the systematic cancellation of any patent thanks the anteriority (the patent is a jeopardized humbug). As you can see it is not the common behavior of a Nobel prize pretender.
I cannot imagine why nobody though on this before, including myself? It is so simple!...
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@ path_finder

I wasn't intending to suggest that you were motivated by ulterior motives such as fame or money merely that anyone who can demonstrate continuous energy from gravity could expect to be offered a Nobel prize. I accept that you have different motives as I do myself.

I think you make a mistake in not being interested in the toy, however, since if genuine as I believe it to be, understanding the principles that underlie it will almost certainly lead to the solution of Keenie, Bessler and other true claims to obtaining perpetual motion from the action of gravity.

There are many different forms of internal combustion engine but the principles underlying them are essentially the same.
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Grimer

I am not so sure about the Nobel prize. We are not main stream science, which may disqualify us. Thank of myself, a Blacksmith. Do you think main stream science will recognize the top science prize to a Blacksmith? I will admit, it would be nice.

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Sorry AB Hammer,

A black smith will not be receiving the prize, a drilling rig worker will be.

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nneba

A drilling rig worker, may not qualify for the Nobel either. A masters in engineering on a drilling rig might. When was the last time a regular guy got the Nobel?

If you think you have a running wheel, I may have call your wheel and raise you by 2. LOL

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Alan,

Ive seen your work on you tube, you obviously take your wheels wheely seriously, keep up the good work.

But as I mentioned before you better start putting in overtime if your gonna beat me to the nobel prize.

your friend, nneba
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