Does anyone know what the book is in this picture http://besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php? ... essler.jpg
It looka a bit like the one in the picture i found here http://www.tibnorten.blogspot.com/ of 16th century tibetan manuscript but i dont know what it is.....I wonder if the design on the spine matches the book....
What is the book?
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What is the book?
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re: What is the book?
They say you can't judge any book by it's cover and there are certainly more good reasons to believe and keep that in mind than not.
Now there are symbolic representations of a great many truths that go all the way back to antiquity but so too does the human inclination to simply decorate both common as well as more prized possessions for no other reason than to simply make them look a little more pleasing to the eye.
Designs that don't have any meaning in one context can seem to acquire them in another and vice-versa. So I wouldn't deliberately try to read too much into that, but then again I wouldn't ignore the value of whatever just seems to spontaneously spring to mind or provoke some unusual sensations, more or less "out of the blue", so to speak.
We generally find or discover most important things when we're not actually looking for them. We have no good explanation for that, but it may be that our intention of simply finding the truth of something we don't actually know simply brings us one of them that fits that general description and not necessarily one that's more in keeping with the nature of whatever we think were looking for.
When we're deliberately looking for a connection of some kind we're of course struggling to try and see one whether it's really there or not and our imaginations in trying to help us along with that can always become far more imaginative than any situation really calls for if we're not careful. As a result all we find is what we want to believe rather than what's genuinely there.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that there is a great deal of diffference between intuition and wishfull thinking. Intuition always comes spontaneously and of it's own accord and generally with information that seems completely out of place untill we mull it over and turn it around a few times and suddenly disover that it's a perfect fit in what we would have thought was the most unlikely place for it. A place we never would or could have "imagined" or "dreamed" for it...hmmm? LOL
In all of this, what is important to find out isn't what Bessler knew and believed about Perpetual Motion because there is no way to ever really know that. It is what we ourselves can know and come to believe about it by directly and squarely facing that question ourselves to find out what the truth is. Not about Bessler, but PM itself.
It isn't enough to believe in it simply because Bessler did, or because the weight of anecdotal information seems to support the contention. It also isn't good enough to simply want to possess that information for other uses, regardless of how beneficial or helpfull we might imagine them to be.
The only thing that matters is the truth of a phenomenon that very strongly suggests that there is something very wrong with the way we presently see and understand things and that of course controls how we think and what we do as a consequence. Bottom line our conscience seems to be trying to tell us something about that and we have to find out what that is.
Of course at every point in our social and cultural development that is always true but it isn't until enough pressure and dissastisfaction with our situation begins to peak that we finally go looking for some better answers and explanations than we have simply settled for for far too long simply because they were convenient or usefull in the past, whereas now they can be more clearly be seen as causing us problems and holding us back instead.
Bessler lived in a time of great intellectual upheaval that resulted in a new form of science that was stripped of any and every vestige of what was at that time believed to be "supernatural" considerations. It also got rid of any inductive reasoning or efforts to view things more holistically and from different perspectives in favour of strictly deductive and reductive analysis and a completely bottom up perspective as the only permissable one.
Initially, that only meant that it wasn't equipped to deal with such things, not that they weren't there or that there wasn't any validity or merit to them, but as time went by and as that science gained more power, prestige and prominence that has gradually become a complete denial of those discarded elements either existing or having any validity at all, despite the fact it that none of them at any time has actually been properly and directly investigated by that science itself or anything like some genuine proof by that science's own standards provided to ever back that contention up.
Somewhere in the midst of that some basic truths about ourselves and our world have simply gotten lost. A scientific model that is known to be seriously flawed has instead become a psychological one that is actually impeding the discovery and understanding of a more realistic and truthfull one that is badly needed to replace it.
Does PM have something to do with that? To be sure it has been the most carefully avoided subject of all by that science. If it is true it could explain much else that no one can do anything more than scratch their heads about at the moment.
That is where I happen to concentrate my own efforts. If PM is possible it should provide more answers not raise more questions, and it is towrds that end that I am trying to come up with some meanfull explanation that to my way of thinking is far more important than simply having some wheel that can simply be run or powered by it and no more than that.
Now there are symbolic representations of a great many truths that go all the way back to antiquity but so too does the human inclination to simply decorate both common as well as more prized possessions for no other reason than to simply make them look a little more pleasing to the eye.
Designs that don't have any meaning in one context can seem to acquire them in another and vice-versa. So I wouldn't deliberately try to read too much into that, but then again I wouldn't ignore the value of whatever just seems to spontaneously spring to mind or provoke some unusual sensations, more or less "out of the blue", so to speak.
We generally find or discover most important things when we're not actually looking for them. We have no good explanation for that, but it may be that our intention of simply finding the truth of something we don't actually know simply brings us one of them that fits that general description and not necessarily one that's more in keeping with the nature of whatever we think were looking for.
When we're deliberately looking for a connection of some kind we're of course struggling to try and see one whether it's really there or not and our imaginations in trying to help us along with that can always become far more imaginative than any situation really calls for if we're not careful. As a result all we find is what we want to believe rather than what's genuinely there.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that there is a great deal of diffference between intuition and wishfull thinking. Intuition always comes spontaneously and of it's own accord and generally with information that seems completely out of place untill we mull it over and turn it around a few times and suddenly disover that it's a perfect fit in what we would have thought was the most unlikely place for it. A place we never would or could have "imagined" or "dreamed" for it...hmmm? LOL
In all of this, what is important to find out isn't what Bessler knew and believed about Perpetual Motion because there is no way to ever really know that. It is what we ourselves can know and come to believe about it by directly and squarely facing that question ourselves to find out what the truth is. Not about Bessler, but PM itself.
It isn't enough to believe in it simply because Bessler did, or because the weight of anecdotal information seems to support the contention. It also isn't good enough to simply want to possess that information for other uses, regardless of how beneficial or helpfull we might imagine them to be.
The only thing that matters is the truth of a phenomenon that very strongly suggests that there is something very wrong with the way we presently see and understand things and that of course controls how we think and what we do as a consequence. Bottom line our conscience seems to be trying to tell us something about that and we have to find out what that is.
Of course at every point in our social and cultural development that is always true but it isn't until enough pressure and dissastisfaction with our situation begins to peak that we finally go looking for some better answers and explanations than we have simply settled for for far too long simply because they were convenient or usefull in the past, whereas now they can be more clearly be seen as causing us problems and holding us back instead.
Bessler lived in a time of great intellectual upheaval that resulted in a new form of science that was stripped of any and every vestige of what was at that time believed to be "supernatural" considerations. It also got rid of any inductive reasoning or efforts to view things more holistically and from different perspectives in favour of strictly deductive and reductive analysis and a completely bottom up perspective as the only permissable one.
Initially, that only meant that it wasn't equipped to deal with such things, not that they weren't there or that there wasn't any validity or merit to them, but as time went by and as that science gained more power, prestige and prominence that has gradually become a complete denial of those discarded elements either existing or having any validity at all, despite the fact it that none of them at any time has actually been properly and directly investigated by that science itself or anything like some genuine proof by that science's own standards provided to ever back that contention up.
Somewhere in the midst of that some basic truths about ourselves and our world have simply gotten lost. A scientific model that is known to be seriously flawed has instead become a psychological one that is actually impeding the discovery and understanding of a more realistic and truthfull one that is badly needed to replace it.
Does PM have something to do with that? To be sure it has been the most carefully avoided subject of all by that science. If it is true it could explain much else that no one can do anything more than scratch their heads about at the moment.
That is where I happen to concentrate my own efforts. If PM is possible it should provide more answers not raise more questions, and it is towrds that end that I am trying to come up with some meanfull explanation that to my way of thinking is far more important than simply having some wheel that can simply be run or powered by it and no more than that.
Fondest Regards from the Fox
re: What is the book?
Wow Silverfox, you must be a writer.
I think it's a scissor jack.
-from the men of few words dept.
I think it's a scissor jack.
-from the men of few words dept.
re: What is the book?
i think there is some old book around with that particular design on the spine and am i curious to know the title....i bet someone somewhere has seen it....so far the tibetan manuscript is the closest match but it is not THE book in the mean time ill keep looking!
re: What is the book?
show me one and i will believe you.. i have seen many similar but not the same
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Is that the number 5 ? conveniently brought to our attention in the book shelf [for JC's interest] - I think as Michael pointed it out long ago.
Maybe the book spine on the desk shows 3 sets of 5's in sets of two's ?
i.e. 55 & 5 x 5 x 5 = 125 [Mt's ?]
Maybe the book spine on the desk shows 3 sets of 5's in sets of two's ?
i.e. 55 & 5 x 5 x 5 = 125 [Mt's ?]
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re: What is the book?
That's like saying show me a book with a red cover! Diamonds are such a common design on spines of books and particularly old hard-cover books. Just scan the shelves of an old library and you'll probably see many. Try a Google image search on "rare books" for example:jimmyjj wrote:show me one and i will believe you.. i have seen many similar but not the same
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&so ... =&gs_rfai=
The book in the portrait either came off of a shelf in Fritzsch's studio, or it was personal to Bessler and he brought it with him - either way, I think you've got your work cut out for you in tracing the exact book from just the spine decoration. There's also the possibility that Bessler got Fritzsch to create a specific design on the spine of the book in the picture, and that a book might not even have been present when he sat for the portrait. Fritzsch may also just have used his imagination to fill in the details of a book in the portrait.
Stewart
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... and is the area I've circled here showing two 'V's (upside down in that orientation of the book) and giving another possible 55 hint?! ...Fletcher wrote:Is that the number 5 ? conveniently brought to our attention in the book shelf [for JC's interest] - I think as Michael pointed it out long ago.
Maybe the book spine on the desk shows 3 sets of 5's in sets of two's ?
i.e. 55 & 5 x 5 x 5 = 125 [Mt's ?]
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re: What is the book?
Hi Stewart
i do not believe the spine of the book is composed of all diamonds but is a unique design perhaps others will agree? While i have been able to find oodles of books with diamond backed spines i have been unable to find one that matches attached. Perhaps the book in question also has the A's or v;s , and is hiding in someones collection with a hidden drawing in the spine lol. Be a good place to hide something......Also Stewart the diamonds on the books you show face in a different direction than in the portrait picture and do not resemble a scissor jack.
i do not believe the spine of the book is composed of all diamonds but is a unique design perhaps others will agree? While i have been able to find oodles of books with diamond backed spines i have been unable to find one that matches attached. Perhaps the book in question also has the A's or v;s , and is hiding in someones collection with a hidden drawing in the spine lol. Be a good place to hide something......Also Stewart the diamonds on the books you show face in a different direction than in the portrait picture and do not resemble a scissor jack.
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