Half empty, half full - MT 137 thru MT 138

[barksalot]

I think this is what half empty, half full means.
The grey area is the full part.
The grey area contains the workings of the wheel.

[Fletcher]

That's a different interpretation than normal - it is just as valid as the usual.

What I would add is that one of the witnesses [could have been in Wagner's critique] made note that nothing could be seen shifting or rising & falling near the outer regions [paraphrased] because he could see thru the gaps in the wood sidings as the wheel revolved.

So you might have it the wrong way around ? - besides, most mass located nearer the axle would allow for 'rapid' acceleration of a wheel in 'two or three turns' i.e. due to more Rot Ke than Trans Ke.

[jim_mich]

And conversely, if the driving force is near the rim then it would accelerated the wheel more quickly then if the same force is applied closer to the wheel center.

[barksalot]

Fletcher

Yes it could be that I am wrong about it, but it is the foundation of my last attempt, which by the way was not a runner.

I still think I could be right about it, stubborn I am.

I am going to add another drawing to show how I think it relates to MT 137.

I think MT 137 shows the structure of the mountings where the two over lap

[DrWhat]

All the movement could have been enclosed in the radial "supporting" arms of the wheel, such that by looking in gaps it was impossible to see anything anyhow.

[barksalot]

These drawings are not to scale.

Maybe I should say that the grey area in the first drawing at the start of this topic is half of the area of the entire circle.

Where the line intersects the grey gives a dimension for sizing the mechanism.

Another drawing of some parallelograms which should be familiar to all.
When one side is turned around you get an odd looking diamond shape

[barksalot]

The two parallelograms or hammer men toys if you wish, have different ratios of the width to height. It gives a different shape to the diamonds.

I can not tell you the ratios because I no longer have my notes, but they were made by taking measurements from enlarged screen shots.

If you put the two together using two common sides you have a scissor shape starting to form.

[barksalot]

Here is a mockup of this concept,and a drawing of how to attach it to a wheel.

[barksalot]

The over all movement of the mechanism will follow an arc nearly the same as the arc of the grey area.
By mounting it a little higher or lower will produce an arc that cuts inward or outward.
There are many possible weight attachment positions which will show a different arc of movement.
Its possible to get movements that go outward of the circle then back inward.
There are so many different variations possible.
Could this mechanism be producing the vortices talked about?

[bluesgtr44]

"...on the one side it is full and heavy, on the other it is light and empty...as it should be."

Or something like that....based from J. Collins publication.....

He appears to mention a side to side proportionality.


Steve

[barksalot]

Bluesgtr44

Bessler was a sly one when it came to words. It could also be inside or outside part of the wheel if that is the correct words he used.

Here are some pics of my build.

[barksalot]

Trying to make a wheel that is full of workings or mechanics on just one half of the wheel at the division of the diameter is to complicated. But to make a wheel in which the workings are maintained in a restricted area of the edge is easy in comparison.

Occam's razor.

Here is some more pics of some variants.

[nneba]

Barksalot,

Nice build! I like the direction you are going

[DrWhat]

You are a legend mate. I think it is awesome that you are building and testing your ideas. Well done. It is the only way to know for sure if an idea works.

[getterdone]

Nice build, I like it too. I've always though that the secret to PM will be discovered while tinkering. Do as many test as you can, if you see a small movement that seems to have potential, try to expand on it.

Leave no stone unturned, thanks for sharing