Game Plan

[Ed]

If PM wheels are going to help mankind, then SOMEONE must build and sell them, right? Who better to do this than the person who conceived and perfected the working machine?

Have you ever seen the movie Flash of Genius?

[Fletcher]

Yes Mark .. but it is good to be presented with all our options, should one of us be that person - they will still do what feels right to them, not what feels right to others.

rasselas - ask some world wide brand names whether their products required to be produced under trade-secret or whether they moved quickly with resources behind them until their product was a house hold name - a few come to mind, they maintain that position with buyer loyalty to a brand name [the psychology does makes me laugh] - this could also work for a FE device especially if they're also doing rapid R & D & others are playing catch-up.

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I've heard all the arguments presented here over the years by thoughtful intelligent people - from one end of the spectrum & emotion to the other - I generally stay clear.

I think the realistic middle road option is the one that would be interesting to most, should they be that person in need of advice.

That's perhaps release to public in general where back yard tinkers can make their own - the inventor would probably want the recognition as that's human nature [status] - they'd also probably want to find some financial security, either for themselves & family, or for others, or for altruistic reasons - that means a method to capture a share of wealth from commercial exploitation, should it be attractive to market.

I think it best if we don't head to opposing corners with an all or nothing stance - what about the combined efforts here finding & describing that middle road which allows safe dissemination to all, the right to build privately, yet captures future financial commercial rewards for the inventor or his family or friends ?

Surely a bi-partisan plan can be formulated that would help that person achieve his goals [he's going to cherry pick what suits him if not all of it], whatever they might be - he after all, is likely going to show you a working FE/OU [PM] machine & let you personally benefit from it perhaps - you personally could help ease his load, he has already done the hard yards.

That template could be here ready & waiting for the day it might be needed.

[rasselas]

Well said Fletcher.
Like many, I struggle with questions between which is wiser: the "middle road" or the "high road"?

GOALS:

1) provide safety for one's self and one's family
2) provide safety for the global community (by preventing mis-use of the device)
3) provide wealth for one's self in the form of making an income off the device... preferably in the form of royalties or such.
4) provide wealth for the global community in the form of less-expensive energy.
5) provide clean energy for the health of the planet (whether human, rain-forest, polar-bears, etc), hope for a people, etc.
6) ...
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Fletcher brought up an interesting point... should the inventor make the invention available to back-yard tinkerers?

I don't see how the inventor can do this, and still expect to make an income, unless there are some means of patent security. If such, then any person can freely make it for their own private use (this excludes businesses?). But at least other companies can't make (personal) devices to sell to everyone. So my question is... in order to prevent MASSES of people assembling their own (fairly easy to make) device, only to purchase a "mechanical to electrical" generator/converter from some other company (leaving you out of the loop)... it would be wise for our company to sell individual units as well???

BUT THEN... who would ever want to buy electricity from our generator plant (ie, over electrical lines) on a monthly billing basis?? What I'm getting at is... how much does that change the dynamics of the situation? How much income is being lost? How much more earthly resources are being consumed to build thousands, millions of individual wheels? Is that less of a start-up cost then trying to manufacture a power-plant? etc.

On the other hand... I'm still unsure that upon disclosing the details of a device one won't wake up to discover a "space wars" (as Jim_Mich put's it) soon thereafter.

[ovyyus]

Fletcher, I think Jim's plan might be good for you and I, provided he actually did get a chance to publicly disclose his invention immediately after filing. In that scenario you and I would personally benefit from his free disclosure but, and this is the point I was trying to make, Jim can't personally benefit after his patent is confiscated and commercial development is controlled by others. Add to that the likelihood of a gag order and his misery would be complete.

It's all academic without a runner, though :D

[Fletcher]

Yes Bill - I see your point - we benefit & Jim does not, in the way he desires - that is a risk for sure.

I've also liked Jim's plan, at least most of it & certainly the intent.

This is a mammoth mind trap to work thru alone, I'm sure.

Generally, when faced with big issues or problems, that seem to big to digest, I try to break it down into smaller bite sizes - work thru it like a tree diagram.

The down side is that if we collaborated & put forward a fairly full-proof plan that maximized the inventors options & safety we would then give a heads up to whom ever might be reading & wanting to thwart 'THE PLAN'.

It's seemingly like developing an encryption code - you think its full-proof & pretty much unbreakable then someone comes along & tips it in the bin & you start again.

There are some bright people here who could come up with a better encryption code for the inventor :7)

[jim_mich]

In that scenario you and I would personally benefit from his free disclosure but, and this is the point I was trying to make, Jim can't personally benefit after his patent is confiscated and commercial development is controlled by others.

Confiscation is THEFT. One might get mugged in a dark lonely alleyway, but the probability of being mugged in a crowded busy market place is much smaller. My point being, a lonely inventor might get slapped with a gag order before anyone knows about his invention. But if the inventor and his invention is very well known then it is too late to try gagging him/her. Besides, the penalty for disobeying a gag order is only the loss of the patent. The patent rights cannot be transferred to anyone else.

Does anyone really think any government bureaucrat would have the guts to deny a patent to such an invention AFTER the world becomes aware of the invention? This is why the invention must be fully and widely disclosed just as soon as the patent is filed. Doing so negates the effect of a gag order.

[rlortie]

I don't see how the inventor can do this, and still expect to make an income, unless there are some means of patent security. If such, then any person can freely make it for their own private use (this excludes businesses?). But at least other companies can't make (personal) devices to sell to everyone. So my question is... in order to prevent MASSES of people assembling their own (fairly easy to make) device, only to purchase a "mechanical to electrical" generator/converter from some other company (leaving you out of the loop)... it would be wise for our company to sell individual units as well???

The above paragraph made me think of the inventors of the refrigerator. Now often referred to as the 'fridge' no matter what brand it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigidaire

As i understand it, you cannot stop anyone from building their own if they have the resources using your patent drawings which will be publicly available. You can however stop them from manufacturing for sale or the sale of the product your machine produces.

Frigidaire Cornered the market for the first twenty years (the length of a patent). Once it expired we now see refrigerators with more brand names than any other appliance.

Twenty years is what you have to make your fortune unless you can keep improving and updating your patent. The competition will still step in once your original has expired, But they cannot use your patented updates.

although i am often out-voted my idea is not to sell the machine, keep it under wraps and sell the power it produces. Wheel farms rather than windmills. Or build, install and maintain individual units for single residential use and let the consumer earn on the power he does not use. His electric meter runs backwards and he/you are reimbursed for that which is fed back into the grid.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

As i understand it, you cannot stop anyone from building their own if they have the resources using your patent drawings which will be publicly available. You can however stop them from manufacturing for sale or the sale of the product your machine produces.

Ralph, this is a common misconception. A patent gives “the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling� the invention. Thus it gives the inventor the right to sue your ass if you make the invention or if you use the invention.

Thus, if one were to invent a PM wheel and file for a patent, and if they were to release drawings of it on the internet, then anyone making the PM wheel from those drawings would infringe the patent after the patent issues. Thus others could build and test the wheel before the patent issues, but cannot build, use, or sell it after the patent issues, even for personal use.


Making and leasing PM wheels or selling the power from PM wheels would require a tremendously large amount of start-up capital.

[Fletcher]

And of course, the patent holder could 'choose' not to pursue individuals, but with financial backing go after the bigger players who hadn't approached him first & worked out a deal i.e. licensing arrangements.

Those down line might not want 'backyarders' building PM wheels but that could be negotiated in the licensing agreement.

My initial thoughts Ralph were exactly the same a jim_mich's - wow, the cost to produce, maintain & distribute & without substantial backing your inertia would be so high that you'd hardly make an impact in your state let alone country - in the meantime one of your loyal customers has stripped one down, copied it & freighted it somewhere you can't go.

[rlortie]

Jim and Fletcher,

Appreciate your input and the refute on my misconception.

As CEO of 'Arrache' I have spent more time on finding and securing promissory investment sources than on wheel research. As stated in the past I wish to follow the path taken by Howard Hughes Senior, inventor of the modern day oil well drilling bit.

Hughes Senior found the financial resources to build 'Hughes Tool and Die' company for the manufacture of his invention. He never sold any of them, nor did he sell any license/royalty rights, he kept all, leased and maintained them.

After his death heir apparent Howard Hughes Jr. had the foresight to diversify his assets before the original patent ran out. In his day he was noted as the richest man in the world.

As for funding, the high cost of building Gravity wheel farms is not unlike the expansive wind mill and solar projects now being conceived. As for product distribution your wheel machines can sit at the base of windmills and tie into their grid feed.

Build a better mouse trap, publicize it and the financial world will beat a path to your door. I have found over 3.2 Billion US dollars out there ready for the taking. That does not include grants, tax incentives, and accelerated depreciation offered by federal and state governments.

Renewable, Green energy, and non-fossil fuel is the key words to keep in mind.

Ralph

[Fletcher]

I don't think that's too different from the 'find a venture capitalist with deep pockets' option Ralph ?

Either way, you end up sharing the fame & fortune - a venture capitalist might find a manufacturer with political clout [he'd be silly not to] that tapped into the oily wheels of govt etc.

The point is, for somebody to back you & take a financial & political risk, they usually need some security - that is usually a share of the patent or a company or organization that owns the patent.

I certainly favour the retain ownership of the patent & license route that jim_mich advocates - to me that makes good sense - but if I want to take market share & brand my machine as the leader in the world, with full replacement policy, support, upgrades available from continuous R&D [the microsoft & apple example] then the company that licenses from me needs security to sell to its shareholders for example - that must be an exclusive license, or full control of sub-licensing, or a share of patent ownership, generally.

That's not to say it can't be done without selling a share of the patent but investors IN YOU generally require 'skin in the game', capital &/or intellectual equity, that they can leverage to funders & shareholders etc.

If you don't own all the patent, it does not matter - it runs out in 20 years & you've selected your new best & trusted friend for the next 20 anyway ;7)

[jim_mich]

As for product distribution your wheel machines can sit at the base of windmills and tie into their grid feed.

But if we had PM wheels, why would we need bird killing windmills?

I think the best locations for PM wheels would be underground near wherever the power is being used.

I've even thought of having mobile PM wheels that could be transported wherever there is the greater need. For instance, in the USA there is a large need for heating in the Northern states during the winter, and conversely there is a large need for air conditioning in the Southern states during the summer. PM wheels could be on truck beds which are moved North in the fall and South in the spring. They could be owned by cooperatives that share their use according to the seasons. The trucks could even be electrically powered by the PM wheels during transport, thus requiring no fuel.


Of course this is just wild speculation until Bessler's secret is discovered.

[Fletcher]

I wonder if you described in your patent as a Method to Restore Potential Energy of Position to do Mechanical Work, would it be likely to fly under the radar a while longer, whilst still being absolutely truthful ?

As soon as you label it a PMM or OU you get into serious difficulties as it would not be seen as scientifically truthful, until proven with a demonstration & evaluation.

By using the terms Mechanical Method of Restoring Potential Energy or some such, you are describing any type of rotating or oscillating device or method that we here would automatically call a PMM.

As I said earlier, I'd patent the mechanical method of doing this, not any particular machine.

IOW's, is that more palatable do you think, or unnecessary avoidance at Patent Application time ?

P.S. I'd also apply for patent in a country with treaties with other countries to give you time to file there also.

[evg]

What would be the impact to the world economy?
If a device capable of generating free energy is invented
I would think 25% of the population in the free world would be unemployed for the next 5 years.
All stock markets will take a nosedive for the first 6 months until they realize that energy companies will survive for the next 5 years until the new technology is implemented worldwide
After 10 years we all be better of but in the meantime we all suffer
The inventor will either be a hero (unlikely) or 6 feet under even if he spread his knowledge over 100 websites
Trying to invent free energy is fun, as long as you don’t succeed

[getterdone]

When I think of patents, it reminds me of a movie called '' Flash of Genius'' It's a true story about the American inventer who invented pulsating wipers for automobiles. He had a good patent,and a good lawyer, The car industry liked his invention and immediatly started installing it in there cars. But somehow they all forgot to send him checks. After several years, a nervous break-down , a divorce and near financial ruin he finaly won a court case against Ford, that they appealled. He did everything by the rules and even though in the end he did get some of the money he deserved, they ruined his life. He was in court for decades until he passed away.

All that over pulsating wipers, good luck collecting for a PM wheel