Game Plan

[justsomeone]

Ralph said: In any and all countries where you see a 'Coca Cola' and a 'McDonald's' ad.


If that's the case, what countries would be least likely to try to hush the discovery?

[getterdone]

Any and all countries where you see a Coca Cola or McDonald's ad

[rasselas]

If that's the case, what countries would be least likely to try to hush the discovery?

JustSomeOne, excellent question. While I have very little knowledge of such subject matter, I believe you may follow these guidelines to a solution:

1) Research WHICH countries have a "Invention Confiscation/Secrecy Legislation". An international patent lawyer should know.

2) Research WHICH countries have patent-treaties with each other, particularly, which have patent-treaties with big energy-consuming countries (Such as the US or China). If they don't have a patent-treaty with the US (for example), then somebody else seeing your patent(application) in that country, can immediately apply for patent in the US. [You could contest as being prior, but that would be extra burdens that would be unnecessary].

My guess is that a country like Switzerland which has a history of being neutral, of being a member of the U.N., of being fairly commercial... would be a good starting place. I'd think they'd have treaties with the rest of the E.U., and by association, with the U.S.

Switzerland however seems to have a history of being patent-wise (Einstein was a patent clerk there), and may more easily spot your intentions, than they a country with little energy-consumption or technology usage, where the patent-clerks may be unfamiliar with such machinations and science as a PMM would encompass.

3) Seek out a country which is strongly pro sustainable/green energy.

4) You don't have to disclose with a Patent Lawyer the details of your device in order to talk to them.

That being said, if you DO get a patent, the patent most probably will enter public-domain knowledge (others will be able to view it, Google will be able to cache the internet documents, etc).

As to the regards of countries seeking to HUSH the patent... not all countries have Secrecy Acts. And furthermore, not all countries have large militaries or intelligence-agencies. This is to say, that it would probably be (seen) in the best interests of a smaller country to utilize the patent in a way OTHER than keeping it secret. They may still wish to confiscate it in order to gain control/political-power from such an invention, but I doubt it will stay "locked-away" with such a country. Neither would such a country be likely/able to give you a gag-order (as you're not a citizen in that country). Just my opinions.

Rasselas

[jim_mich]

Research WHICH countries have patent-treaties with each other, particularly, which have patent-treaties with big energy-consuming countries (Such as the US or China).

See: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/dapp/pctstate.html

[Jim Williams]

I'm only half joking, but how about Cuba (or Libya or North Korea) where citizens of these countries can obtain American patents, (because of agreements between them and the US), but Americans can't go there?

Below is a list of Cuban patents, for example

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... Fcu&d=PTXT

[jim_mich]

Cuba is a PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty) country.

[Ealadha]

Why does it have to be one person , why can't everyone solve it and get a working wheel for themselves . Is'nt that what this forum is supposed to be for . Free for alll .

[getterdone]

Hi Ealadha, I don't think that the purpose for this forum is to get free energy for all. This forum is about solving the Bessler mystery.

[Ealadha]

Free Energy ! No i don't want free energy . Just a working wheel . For a garden ornament is what i want it for . A small wooden wheel that spins perpetually in my garden . For ornamental purposes .

[AB Hammer]

Ealadha

You are sounding like my wife in a slug bug game. I don't care if to play, it don't bother me. SLUG-BUG WACK. 1 to nothing he he he

Getterdone

I believe it is one and the same, but you left out a new understanding of our physics.

Alan

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,

the game plan, just do what I am doing, no one will believe you so why worry!

Then wait for 2011 then start posting working wheels not just one but many, LOL Happy new year to all and your familys and friends, I think it may have been said already but 2011 is the year! I will start tomorrow : )

Regards Trevor

[AB Hammer]

Trevor

You are starting to sound like Frankenfurter from Rocky Horror picture show in the lab speech.

( I know the secret!, to life!, ITS SELF!! )

Eddy, at least one half of him. LOL

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Alan,

I do know the secret of life its self! enjoy it you only get one,

Bessler's secrets I do not know, Trevor's secrets I do know!

Happy new year Alan to you and your family and friends.

[rasselas]

Do we think the US (or other) govt watches this forum?

I believe that when we mention words like "Ir*q war" and "Nuclear Mis*iles" we increase the risk thereof. But mostly I believe they mostly ignore us. First, mostly because the majority of us are garage guys and tinkerers with no relevant PhD's etc. Secondly because perhaps as most scientists believe, PM may very well be impossible (such is their thinking). Thirdly, they have their own hi-tech agendas involving feasible means of efficient propulsion (some believe they already have a grip on free-energy, at least on a need-to-know basis).

On the other-hand... IF we submit such ideas to a patent office (especially as they REQUIRE a working model)... they WILL take notice. The game-plan of most on here (who seek financial recompense) is to try to thwart government seizure of their invention by mass disclosure upon submission of the patent. Why do they seek the patent at all? To make money and prevent others from using it (or monopolizing it). But, the problem of Big Oil remains... they approach you and say, "sell us the rights to the patent or we attack you or your family". But they have other tricks up their sleeves... called patent lawyers and paying judges off. Called forgery. Called intellectual property infringement law-suits (um, you're machine uses oil as a lubricant... like wtf ?! ).

Oh well, at the least you have made it (though not public domain) that which is nonetheless accessible to off-the-grid garage builders and pirate companies that might try to produce the machine and compete against the big guys.

I do agree, that there is some (legal) way to make a buck from our machine... and of course news/book rights would grant you a substantial sum of money (perhaps 5-10 million). You could also probably get a cushy job somewhere as chief engineer of r&d if you were recognized as developing the worlds first PMM. But I personally seek a better solution than making the idea public-domain.

[path_finder]

Excerpt from "Keeping Inventors Quiet" and "Secrecy Order" courtesy of the Corning Energy Revolution by Jeane Manning, Avery Publishing Group, P. 163-4

KEEPING INVENTORS QUIET
Adam Trombly knows about the Secrecy Act, In the early 1980's Trombly and another young scientist, Joseph Kahn, Ph.D., naively believed that the "experts" would welcome their space-energy invention. (See part ll. for more information on space energy.) However, hen Trombly and Kahn applied for a patent, the United States Patent Office notified the Department of Defense. Instead of congratulations, Trombly and Kahn received a secrecy order. They were ordered not to talk about their invention to anybody, not to write about it, and even to stop working on it. They certainly couldn't tell the media.
If you were an inventor trying to patent an important new-energy discovery. You might receive a secrecy order along the lines of the one reproduced here. According to information obtained under the Freedom of Information act by the Federation of American Scientists, the Pentagon placed 774 patent applications under secrecy orders in 1991 -- up from 290 in 1979 -- and 506 of these orders were imposed on inventions by private companies. The government has standing gag orders on several thousand inventions. The following order, issued in the 1980's, was obtained by inventor ken MacNeil of Georgia and revealed in 1983.
SECRECY ORDER
(Title 35, United States Code [1952], sections 181-188
NOTICE: To the applicant above named, his heirs, and any and all his assignees, attorneys and agents, hereinafter designated principals.
You are hereby notified that your application as above identified has been found to contain subject matter, the unauthorized disclosure of which might be detrimental to the national security and you are ordered in nowise to publish or disclose the invention or any material information with respect thereto, including hitherto unpublished details of the subject matter of said application, in any way to any person not cognizant of the invention prior to the date of the order, including any employee of the principals, but to keep the same secret except by written consent first obtained of the Commissioner of Patents, under the penalties of 35 U.S.C. [1952] 182, 186.
Any other application already filed or hereafter filed which contains any significant part of the subject matter of the above identified application falls within the scope of this order. If such other application does not stand under a secrecy order, it and the common subject matter should be brought to the attention of the Security Group, Licensing and Review, Patent Office.
If, prior to the issuance of the secrecy order, any significant part of the subject matter has been revealed to any person, the principals shall promptly inform such person of the secrecy order and the penalties of improper disclosure. However, if such part of the subject matter was disclosed to any person in a foreign country or foreign national in the U.S., the principals shall not inform such person of the secrecy order, but instead shall promptly furnish to the Commissioner of Patents the following information to the extent not already furnished: date of disclosure, name and address of the disclose, identification of such part: and any authorization by a U.S. Government agency to export such part. If the subject matter is included many foreign patent application for patent this should be identified. The principals shall comply with any related instructions to the Commissioner.
This order shall not be construed in any way to mean that the government has adopted or contemplates adoption of the alleged invention disclosed in this application, nor is it any indication of the value of the invention.

At the conference where he revealed the secrecy order, Macneill advised inventors of new-energy devices to go public: "Get the information or the device out there to enough people that they could not stop you."