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[Unbalanced]

Thanks for the link P_F, I have taken this quote from it:

"When this mechanism is in operation at capacity its weight is reduced."

I take this statement with a grain of salt. I have a close friend who is an accomplished Doctor of Physics. As an aside, I once rescued him from a deserted atoll (Palmyra) in the central Pacific where he was abandoned in 1975 and spent nine-months as a castaway, and sailed him 1,000-miles up wind to Honolulu.

This fellow worked with Underwriters Laboratory for a number of years and in this capacity he was tasked with analyzing a very similar device. All of the highly accurate scales they placed this spinning device on registered that it had indeed become lighter when it had been brought up to speed. My clever friend was perplexed. Eventually he placed this spinning devise on a balance scale and proved beyond doubt that indeed it did not get lighter at speed but rather its rotating mass created a field around itself that adversely effected the digital scales they had been using.

we must take in account the mass of the frame in the calculation of the wobbling COG

If you find the time and inclination please explain further what you mean by this.

I must make myself absolutely clear; I do not know if what I propose has any merit whatsoever and especially my particular application of harnessing precession in this manner. The fact that precession is a real external force unlike CF and that it is a by-product or associated with all rotating bodies, I strongly feel that it is the force we should be looking at most closely until such time as someone else comes up with another or better force, like the God force.

Thanks again for the input.

[Unbalanced]

If there was a wobble the supporting frame would have to be well secured.

I see in Bessler's illustrations that all of his wheel's frames were secured to the floor and ceiling with substantial bracing.

[Fletcher]

Yep, to stop wobble or stop the support posts lifting on the up phase because of acceleration ?

There was mention in Wagner's critique I think, of witnesses seeing a change in colour between sections of the supports during rotation - the implication possibly that the supports [made of more than one piece with an inner sleeve ?] were vertically expanding due to up thrust ?

[Stewart]

There was mention in Wagner's critique I think, of witnesses seeing a change in colour between sections of the supports during rotation - the implication possibly that the supports [made of more than one piece with an inner sleeve ?] were vertically expanding due to up thrust ?

It was in one of Borlach's works. See the following post:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42155

Stewart

[Unbalanced]

Thanks Stewart that was an interesting thread to follow. I wonder what would have happened if we removed one of the mounting frames when it had reached 26 RPM. Would it have crashed to the floor or just dropped a few inches and stabilized.

A bit off topic"

Bessler wrote: ""there's always the danger that a surreptitious shove would knock it out of balance and bring it grinding to a halt." - pg 297"

I have wondered about this phrase, did he really mean "knock it out of balance" or did he mean knock it in balance and bring it grinding to a halt."

He seems to have been a man careful with what words he could use without disclosure, do you think he really meant that it was balanced?

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Dear Unbalanced,

If you find the time and inclination please explain further what you mean by this.

The explanation is here:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 3243#53243

[Unbalanced]

Interesting link Path_Finder. That was the direction I anticipated you were headed in.

Perhaps (but unlikely) like the Dynabee http://www.dynabee.de/

where the moving frame adds rotational energy to the spinning mass by opposing precession i.e. adding negative precession.

I'm not really proposing that the frame was part of the positive feed back loop but to say it played no role would be equally unrealistic.

From the illustrations it seems that every attempt was made towards solidity.

Perhaps this was more so that it wasn't torn from the floor while raising a pile of bricks from the courtyard below.

I liked Fletcher's thinking that upward acceleration made this wheel light on its journals at one point during each revolution. But if this occurred only once per revolution it tells me he was swinging (turning) just one solid mass like the inscription at the top of his...(is it his self-made tomb?)
(See Below)

""I don't want to go into the details here of how suddenly the excess weight is caused to rise" Pg 357

As to the rest of that thread, I don't believe Bessler's light wooden drum
covering his mechanism would support the weight within were it rolled on the ground.

[Stewart]

I think the raising and lowering of the support post was due to the axle not being perfectly true.

I have wondered about this phrase, did he really mean "knock it out of balance" or did he mean knock it in balance and bring it grinding to a halt.

He doesn't say anything about knocking it in or out of balance. Here's the original German text from chapter 45 of AP (page 85):

Daß von einem heimtück'schen Stoß
Etwas im Wercke würde loß/
Und es still stünde ohngefehre/
(Wenns schon das wahre MOB'LE wäre.)

Here's my translation:

That from a malicious push/shove
something in the work would come loose,
and it would accidentally stop,
(even though it were the true MOBILE.)

Stewart

[rlortie]

As to the rest of that thread, I don't believe Bessler's light wooden drum covering his mechanism would support the weight within were it rolled on the ground.

Somewhere there is a Bessler statement that reads somewhat as follows;

They call it a wheel, but is it a wheel, for it has no rim like an ordinary wheel. If they wish to call it a wheel, so be it!

His drums were covered with canvas and some with veneer. I found it interesting that the word "Veneer' is German for camouflage. Neither material is very functional for structural support.

Assumption; All things must turn with the axle, there is no structural integrity supported by spokes and rim to hold it.

Ralph

[Unbalanced]

Stewart thanks. I feel like a one legged man crossing the freeway in that I am continuously referencing and quoting material from the following site that seems less than accurate.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... rtal:Clues

Have you taken the time to rewrite these clues in the past and if so are they available to the general herd?

[Stewart]

Have you taken the time to rewrite these clues in the past and if so are they available to the general herd?

I'm working on it but it's very time consuming. I'm putting it all together on a website which isn't open yet, but in the meantime I've made you a member of my forum here on besslerwheel.com where I've posted some of my draft work.

Stewart

[Unbalanced]

I apologize for going off topic but can anyone identify where this monument/plaque is located and who made it?

[John Collins]

It's stuck on the wall outside the house in which Bessler is thought to have been living in Karlshafen. I have been there and seen it and have some photos of it.

JC

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In relation with the keystone above the door of the Karlshafen Bessler's house:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... a257#67064
http://www.besslerrad.de/html/body_biographie.html
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... a257#81085
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... a257#67375
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... a257#67054