The cosmic pattern...

[iacob alex]

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..... of a possible gravity motor,can be somewhere around us,in my opinion.

An useful opinion,cannot survive without a convincing proof in the real physical world.

Let's take into consideration a natural model,with some visible "spare parts"(masses) and some non-visible "links" .

Regarding masses:Sun,Earth and Moon.

Regarding links:gravity and inertia.

About the natural model we need no proofs:it works.

About a "craft-model" (gravity motor),we need a real proof experiment.

Let's use the variable arm heavy hub pendulum concept,face-to face the natural modelt:

-Sun-as a fulcrum and a gravity field

-Earth-as a heavy hub/in-out kinetic energy storage

-Moon-as a variable arm pendulum

An opinion is a belief,not a proof...yet...

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....for this ubiquitous non interrupted/perpetual motion is so diverse.

The main characteristic of this general phenomena is his highest degree of simplicity.

If we really intend to take this proccess as a model for a possible gravity motor,maybe the comet case is interesting.

A comet is a luminous heavenly body,consisting of diffuse head nucleus and a long tail.

If a Sun-Earth-Moon pattern for a gravity motor needs no more than two opposite spokes/a lever,a comet pattern is even more...a "minimum minimorum design" :one (apparent) spoke (tail) only.

All the best! / Alex

[nicbordeaux]

Pardon me for intruding, Alex, but surely a comet is following an orbit around a series of largish celestial bodies, whilst having enough "oomph" to not fall into the objects it is attracted to/circling ? Except quite often these comet things have the most fearfully distasteful habit of running down their steam/velocity, changing their orbital paths by a ridiculously small margin, then impacting the earth and wiping out the dinosaurs ?
Seem's there is one going to hit us in 2012 (source: the biblical and non-biblical looney fringe).

Best

Nick

[iacob alex]

This virtual talk suggestion is related,as I see the things,about the simplicity.

A fish is an undulatory body-tail inside a fluidic medium.

A comet is a circulatory head-tail system inside a gravity medium.

If we try to imagine a gravity motor,why not are we thinking alike?!

All the best! / Alex

[nicbordeaux]

Because we are one earth, and not in outer space ?

Seriously though, totally agreed, the solution has to be extremely simple. We can just can't see it yet.

[iacob alex]

A simple question:if there is a real "perpetuum mobile",where can we find it,as a working principle?

What is the minimum "know how" about a possible gravity motor?

We have a long history of unsuccessful designs and tests...

Why?

The Cosmos remains the same...our understanding is changeable,so there is a hope for this "dream machine" !?

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....or a possible "know how", as a far-away image ,can be seen at :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD9OV1Zr ... re=related

It's as a binary mechanics prime line ;the spiral galaxies have usually two well - defined arms... a "magic caroussel " ,in a huge cosmic continuous pulsatory leverage...

"The Universe is but one vast symbol of God" (Thomas Carlyle),but you see..."a penny will hide the biggest star in the universe if you hold it close enough to your eye" (Samuel Grafton).

Try to stimulate your first and simplest emotion : the curiosity to discover the real "deeps" of the physical world related to the topic of this forum.

All the best ! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....or a possible "know how" , as a not so far-away image,can be seen at:

http://www.weatherforkids.org/hurricanes.html

There is a certain similitude...the same merry-go-round...

All the best! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....for a gravity powered device, can be seen at :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iSR3Yw6FXo

This is classic mechanics,nothing more:

-fulcrum/support/barycenter

-a first class lever (the arm is usually invisible...)

-masses (the small one playing to and fro on the long arm...)

-a continuous fall of this lever(age) in the a ("next") gravity field...

We must go back again,and again to nature for information!

All the best ! / Alex

[murilo]

Wow!!!
Thanx for this, Alex!

[Perpetual Motionist]

Hi Alex,

Indeed Excellent perpetual motion of solar system!

“The perpetual motion of solar system consisting of the planets rotating on their axis and revolving around the center of Sun is one of the most fascinating spectacles that may be put in first place among all natural designs that can be known through direct observation by rational mind, but its deep secrets and underlying mechanism can only be realized by intuitive mind so that design can be imitated and constructed by the right ingenuity and dexterity of human beings. Doing so provides us an opportunity to understand the working of the mechanical realm as well as to have a direct experience of ‘ultimate reality. By providing inexhaustible source of energy, perpetual motion directly links us to the “Absolute� and “Infinite’- the ultimate source of energy and everything.�

– Deva Ramananda
http://relativity.tripod.com

I think Bode's law, a mathematical concept developed for predicting planetary distances in this solar system plays a significant role in The perpetual motion of solar system.Bodes law is basically a formula based on a series of “3�, which doubles starting at zero with the number 4 added to each number then the total divided by 10. Can Bode's law have any connection with possible mechanism of gravity wheel?

Deva claimed that his "zero six lever structure" was based on astronomy and astrology. In fact, the design is found on the horoscope of the lord Jesus Christ.

Nikola Tesla also stated:

If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.

whether planetary perpetual motion or gravity wheel is simple or complex,basically seems to be the question of our perception.

"...perception, where the visual system selects a coherent "Gestalt" out of all the possible interpretations of the initial noisy data it receives, and ignores the interpretations that appear inconsistent [Stadler & Kruse, 1990]. Again, the alternative interpretations are not eliminated in a temporal sequence; they simply fail to make sense. Both orbit quantization and Gestalt perception exhibit symmetry breaking: from the homogeneous mass of potential states or interpretations, they select one (or a few), leaving out the rest.

Best regards,


P-M

[Bill_Mothershead]

Hard to measure some of the things in the solar system (like tides on
Jupiter's surface) so let's take a look at something closer.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

Gravitational coupling between the Moon and the bulge nearest the Moon acts as a torque on the Earth's rotation, draining angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy from the Earth's spin. In turn, angular momentum is added to the Moon's orbit, accelerating it, which lifts the Moon into a higher orbit with a longer period. As a result, the distance between the Earth and Moon is increasing, and the Earth's spin slowing down. Measurements from lunar ranging experiments with laser reflectors left during the Apollo missions have found that the Moon's distance to the Earth increases by 38 mm per year (though this is only 0.10 ppb/year of the radius of the Moon's orbit). Atomic clocks also show that the Earth's day lengthens by about 15 microseconds every year,[106] slowly increasing the rate at which UTC is adjusted by leap seconds. Left to run its course, this tidal drag would continue until the spin of the Earth and the orbital period of the Moon matched. However, the Sun will become a red giant long before that, engulfing the Earth.

Summary: Massive amount of friction (tidal energy exchange)
in all bodies in the solar system cause changes over time.

Nothing perpetual here.

[iacob alex]

.....for me ,is as a starting point,to imagine a mechanical "copy" of it,and so for a gravity powered device.

Let's take a short look (50:50 to 51:56) at Sagan's movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6kszmed8Y

With the help of a simple lever,he explains the cosmic leverage of the far away cosmic bodies...

If science is nothing but perception,than P-M's remark ("whether planetary perpetual motion or gravity wheel is simple or complex,basically seems to be question question of our perception"),is just on the spot.

To Bill_M :"...nothing perpetual here"...really? For the purpose of this forum,I understand this word ( perpetual) as something continuous for a long period of time,nothing more.

All the best ! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....for our topic,at: www.youtube.com/watch?v=W47Wa7onrIQ

if we apply the leverage suggestion (1:44/1:51) and(2:06/2:13) ,at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iSR3Yw6FXo

All the best ! / Alex