What if Bessler had revealed his wheel?

[jim_mich]

I've sometimes wondered how different this world might have been if Bessler had wheel revealed his wheel.

I wonder, why invent the internal combustion engine requiring fuel if there was a Bessler's wheel?

I wonder, why invent electric motors requiring expensive electricity if there was a Bessler's wheel.

Without electricity there would be no light bulbs, no telegraph, no telephone, no radio, no TV, no cell phones, no internet.

With no electricity, no electric motors, no wireless communications, etc. mankind would never have made it to the moon and back.

There would be no cars, no trains, no planes.

I'm sure Bessler's wheel would have improved the world somewhat, but as a whole, world progress might have stagnated.

Another thought, is now the right time for Bessler's wheel? Or would such abundant free energy be used to fuel more wars? Is the tree of knowledge a good thing or a bad thing. Is mankind ready for unlimited free energy? Would knowledge of Bessler's secret produce more evil in this world?

Today, would Bessler's wheel hurt or help mankind?

Just wondering...

[justsomeone]

I think if God wanted us to have the wheel 300 years ago we would have it! You made some very good points Jim. I think a new free energy device quite possibly could contribute to the end times wars. JMHO

[preoccupied]

I think Bessler's wheel would cost money and make someone rich even though the energy is considered free. Wouldn't that be great if it were me who became rich? I would make the world a better place by spending my money and improving the economy.

[Jim Williams]

With abundant free energy, a practical, inexpensive way to extract the elements of the periodic table from seawater would exist, leaving room for the development of everything we already have; built cheaply and powered by electricity. A byproduct would be fresh water for agriculture.

[Gregory]

Mankind invented atomic bomb, nuclear energy & power plants. It still not destroyed planet earth up to this date, maybe by some help of good fortune.

It is possible to use Bessler's wheel to do bad things, but this can't be its main purpose, simply because it is not for that. It may help to feed war somewhat, but will do much more good at other areas. (A pencil can be used to kill someone, however its really not for that.)

If somebody would succesfully develop an inertial engine or such, then there is no reason to withold the invention. In case it leads to destruction, then maybe the world deserves it. There is no way to control this aspect of an invention, but I think hidrogen bombs are much more dangerous and fearsome these days...

The only thing which matters is the purpose of the invention. If that is good, then it is for good, even when somebody try to use it for destruction. Inventions can't, only people can be evil. When something new has found an important thing is to reveal it to all the mankind at exactly the same time, and do not let some powerful group to have the knowledge alone.

[Timothy]

justsomeone wrote: "I think if GOD wanted us to have the wheel 300 years ago we would have it!"

This assumes that what we have is what GOD wants. Or is HE willing to let us basically have our way for a season?

I honestly don't know.

Enjoyed the speculation jim_mich.

[Bill_Mothershead]

Well, Jim, you seem to think that a mostly wooden device from the
1700's would somehow be an end. It is likely that the
technology would have naturally evolved in ways that we
can not even predict. I see no reason why it would prohibit
research into electricity and it might even be used to help
electrify civilization a century earlier.

The industrial revolution consisted of MANY things, not just power generation.
Industrialization probably would have happened even faster if people were
not so much concerned with either running streams past waterwheels,
or digging coal out of the ground.

And all those wooden ships in the late 1700's to late 1800's,
forget sails; think paddle wheels driven by gravity engines.

And all those carriages and covered wagons,
forget horses and oxen with feedbags and road apples;
think geared down gravity engines.

If Bessler had released his invention it is quite likely that today's
technology would be 100 years more advanced than it is right now.

[Richard]

For supertitious belief systems, christians, muslims,jews and others Bessler's wheel might afford much more than low cost energy.

When the curtain is opened and the secret unveiled...will we all see the same thing...I wonder?

Davinci, baskhara and myriad brilliant minds could not create, though did fathom Besslers accomplishment.

Will the meek inherit the earth? will the Bessler wheel help to that end and will they eat fish without a radiation half life.

I wonder if the eyes of the wise are closed to more than Bessler, wheel.

So then..the show opens..."Greed is an evil root". I see this. Is it worse now?

Is it really a move to Democracy in the middle east? I do not see this. Possibly with the crumbling of the American economy and thuggery of a Chinese capitalist society..? well, maybe if the personal wealth of individuals in arabia could be inflated...who knows.

What are the forces that draw us to that great day of battle in megiddo...is it oil? capitalism or is there no difference, both flowering from evil roots.?

Indeed even; do these roots go back to the tree you mention Jim mich?

There is no empirical to which I can point...but I believe Johann felt himself caught up in something far larger than.." first a little movement and then.."

...but who can know such things, and so we mill around and wait anxiously for the opening curtain to the show which many of us have paid a price to see

thank you Jim mich

[Neo]

Jim I think the world would definitely be a better place. With free abundant electricity mankind would be free from fossil fuels,free from endangering the environment and its inhabitants. Free to recycle every last resource and most importantly raise up the poor from their slums because the cost of everything would go down tremendously. The energy needed to maintain any facility 24 hours a day would be possible without the worry of losing power. The appearance of our cities and towns would change as powerlines could now be buried out of sight. All things powered by electricity as Tesla envisioned would finely come to pass. The Electric Age...

[DrWhat]

None of us would have been born or existed if he had revealed the inner workings. I have said this before. Your family tree would have changed and your parents would never had met.

Thanks Bessler for not revealing. It allowed me to enter the world.

[jim_mich]

One morning, just before dawn, about 75 years ago, a train chugged slowly through the countryside. The engineer saw flames flickering in the windows of a small farmhouse about a quarter mile from the tracks. Thinking there was probably someone still asleep, he pulled the train whistle cord. And he pulled it again and again and again, waking up everyone for miles around. That whistle woke my mother and she lead her little sister (my aunt) and carried my toddler brother down the stairs, through the flames, and out to safety. They then walked the quarter mile to the neighboring farm where my dad was milking cows. From there they called the fire department, but by that time the house had burned to the ground.

So I owe my life to Bessler. If there had been no steam locomotive that morning with its steam whistle, or no thoughtful train engineer, my mother and two children would have died in those flames many years ago in rural Holly, Michigan, and I would have never been born.

[FunWithGravity2]

Free does not mean powerful, profitable or convenient. The our ignorance of FREE energy only comes because we impose it on ourselves. For all the talk amongst ourselves of wanting to separate from the grid how many of us do anything about it.

Solar, Wind, Water, thermal, does anyone here in any majority supplement their energy intake even the slightest with any of these.

I would doubt anyone here is selling any power back to the utlilities even though if most REALLY wanted to they could devise a way.

Saddly a Bessler wheel would not have changed the world, IMHO. easier and more profitable ways are always encouraged amongst the powers that be. The dreamers never seem to have the ambition in equal parts as creativity.


Thank god for the Train, Wood was free and then it all got cut down, Coal was abundant, then diesel powered generators were more efficient. Now they are mostly electric and we think its clean/cheap. Out of site as they say, I'd love to see amtraks electic bill.,



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Crazy Dave

[jim_mich]

Solar, Wind, Water, thermal, does anyone here in any majority supplement their energy intake even the slightest with any of these.

I heat my home almost entirely with wood, which gets its heat energy from the sun, rain and nature. But the chain saw does use fuel and oil.

[FunWithGravity2]

I have been using pellets for a few years and cut my bill down 75% from oil. But it represents the issue. When pellets were first introduced they were mainly byproducts of the mills, sawdust etc. Now as the popularity and economy of the pellets has caught on it seems that they have run out of byproduct and are making pellets from wood more often.

Wood is an excellent source of energy, unfortunately it also produces oxygen, we could use wood but would very quiclky cut down the worls supply fairly quickly if we did. In new england everywhere that you go there are stone walls in the woods, everywhere, the land is covered entirely with them. But also now covered with trees that have grown back in the last 150 years. What many people forget is that we had at one time clear cut most of new england to the ground before coal/ and oil met the demand of the "New Industry"

Jim, are you still cutting your own trees or are you having logs dropped off ?

As a state with small parcels 2-10 acre average most people here that do burn wood have exhausted what they want to cut of their own trees, everyone is always on the lookout for the guy with "extra wood" the contractors, arborists and large landowners. Alot of companys drop off "truck length" 20-30' wood at a very descent rate, oak of course. Those that don't have that ambition end up paying anywhere from 150-300 a cord depending on variety and age of wood when its split. Not sure if that saves them money or not.

Ive seen small wind generators for the DIY's that are thrown together fairly cheaply from misc old parts and can supplemt power, maybe save a few bucks a month, and recoup cost faily easily, but who does?

Ive seen cheaply improvised "black Pipe" thermal water heaters that can provide all your hot water in the summer and help alot in winter, but who here does that?

Solar panels, for more than charging your cell phone, anyone here get more than 70% of their power from solar?


I don't fall into any of these categories and i know why, and its the same reason why the world would be the same if the "free" power had been given away/shown by Bessler. If someone powerful loses money to something free then tax the free until everyone forgets about it. Alchohol cars anyone ?


FWIW, i am a huge optimist.

Crazy Dave

[jim_mich]

Dave,

So far all my firewood has come from my own land. We recently sold some walnut veneer trees and all the limbs are being used for firewood. About ten years ago the Emerald Ash Borer arrived in Detroit and all of our ash trees are now dead. Ash makes excellent firewood. I have more firewood from dead trees than I can reasonably handle.

I figure by the time I've burned all my dead trees I'll be too old to be splitting wood anymore.