MR. BESSLERS WONDERFUL WHEEL

[winkle]

ONE WEIGHT CAN TELL WHAT IS COMING,

AND COMMUNICATE THIS TO ANOTHER WEIGHT.

_____________________________________________________________the lower lever when it comes in does hit (HIT) the wheel like a anvil........both levers (weights) will be aganst the wheel twice at the same time in on each revelation

[winkle]

sorry........revolution

[Jonathan]

That is approximately what I thought, but I didn't notice the weight size difference, I bet you're right about that! However, it seems to me that the B's helices aren't angled correctly to mesh with each other, and so I think it is more likely that they fit within holes through the axle having groves inside, so that as each A turns one way then the other, the each A will move to one side then the other.

[Jonathan]

I posted without noticing there is a whole other page, that post was to Ralph. You still have not answered my question winkle. Also, one of your quotes of Bessler appears to have come from MrTim's signature, which he made up just because it sounds compelling. :)

[winkle]

witch quote is that

[winkle]

i'm kinda like mr bessler i share a lot but not every thing.......hope that answers you'r question

[MrTim]

witch quote is that

That would be the first one down here:
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[Jonathan]

Apparently, you don't remember the question winkle, as it would require no revelation at all: Have you built this device?

[Gravmaster2000]

Winkle, don't you DARE tell all here, that would ruin this groups fine reputation for secrecy!!! :*) I am also surprised to hear you say I am close too; thanks. But your pictures are NOTHING like my design works or looks. My idea is NOT besslers, but may be a close cousin. I'd like to think Mr. B started with my idea now, and refined it....
BTW-I have commenced the build of mine...spurred on by the fact that the "working model" program DOES REPORT O/U EFFECTS, about 10-20% or so! Singing-"Lets all build what we know is right, lets all build untill we are tired in the night...."

Vector, exposed.
Spellchecked-NOT!

[rlortie]

That is approximately what I thought, but I didn't notice the weight size difference, I bet you're right about that! However, it seems to me that the B's helices aren't angled correctly to mesh with each other, and so I think it is more likely that they fit within holes through the axle having groves inside, so that as each A turns one way then the other, the each A will move to one side then the other.

Jonathan,

Thank you, and congratulations, you are the only one that has posted a reply that states you understand where I am coming from. I am sure that their are a few others, but if they really understand it, they can be considered the lurkers that John has referred to.

As for the right angle gear train you may also be right as I believe that their was an eye witness report in MT or PM that stated the axle has holes in it. One "A" has holes in a diagonal circular direction while the other
"A" has matching Pegs. This would have been a lot easier to build in a gardners shack than attempting to machine true meshing helix or pinion gears. Then again the Artist may have been just a little bit sloppy regarding that point.

What a lot of members don't seem to understand is that "A,D, and C" are one combined unit, "C" penetrates the continuos rim via a bushing and the larger the diameter of "A" means more linear distance traveled in 180 degrees per revolution. this means that the center of wheel balance point is shifted further to the left increasing torque on the right descending.

Maybe more would understand if I stated that the wheel revolves as "D" rotates around wheel circumference. As for the axel It would have to be two piece supported by spokes attached to the rim with Both "A's" inside as "A" can not be penetrated.

Not owning the books that this is all related to still leaves me stuck on my question as to what the black rectangle or box is above the wheel, Come on guys help me out here.

Another question to be addressed is: Is MT136 a drawing of one of Besslers working wheels, or a facsimile of one of his attempts?

Ralph

[Fletcher]

Jonathan, Thank you, and congratulations, you are the only one that has posted a reply that states you understand where I am coming from. I am sure that their are a few others, but if they really understand it, they can be considered the lurkers that John has referred to.

OK I'll bite :) First there are 2 cross threads going on here which need to be followed separately. That's not always easy !

One: 'Rip van Winkles' reinvention of Gordy's Iris wheel, which he hasn't built. He must have been sleeping thru that.

Two: Your thoughts on MT 136.

IMO Mike summed it up pretty well. It is a 4 piece cork screw design. They may or may not be inter connected via rack & pinion but I think not. The problem here is two fold.

1. What would turn the weight biased handles (flywheels) ? A warped board seems logical or perhaps you see the weight bias itself causing the flywheel 'D' to turn under the influence of gravity. That will lead to keeling regardless of how many combinations or 'gangs' you include. In a way it reminds me of 'Vandugegs' ramp wheel where it appeared a lever connected to the weight was deflected by the ramp walls to screw the weight inwards in a similar fashion.

2. IMHO it is another example of trading vertical height for horizontal width with the predictable results to follow. I personally don't believe there is any 'principle' being demonstrated here & try as I might I can't see this going anywhere under its own power !?

Not owning the books that this is all related to still leaves me stuck on my question as to what the black rectangle or box is above the wheel, Come on guys help me out here.

Suggestion: use the link on Besslerwheel.com opening page to look at Bill McMurtry's offrye.com. There you can look at MT 136, you will see that the black box contains "MT 136".

Another question to be addressed is: Is MT136 a drawing of one of Besslers working wheels, or a facsimile of one of his attempts?

I believe that MT contains his PM attempts & his experiments. It would be reasonable to assume that it also contains his 'thought experiments' of what might work & also other PM searchers attempts & their theories that he may have come across in his pursuit of a PM principle. I don't think he built each one in its entirety if at all, & no one drawing contains the complete principle, as he stated.

Sorry, I don't seem to be able to contribute much to your argument, so perhaps fence sitting or lurking is preferable to being seen as a 'knocker' :) Just my thoughts for what they are worth !

[jim_mich]

Ralph,

It is my understanding that ALL of the MT drawings are of non-working wheels. But Mr. Bessler did say that parts (or concepts?) from different drawings might be put together to form his wheel. Or something to that effect.

[ovyyus]

Not owning the books that this is all related to still leaves me stuck on my question as to what the black rectangle or box is above the wheel, Come on guys help me out here.

Ralph, it's the illustration number area - with the number yet to be carved into the box/block area. I think Bessler had not fully settled on the exact numbering sequence of the illustrations from about MT105 onwards.

[Michael]

Hey there,

>Vector, exposed.
Spellchecked-NOT!

I think you were exposed a while ago, I just didn't say anything back then, again I think Scott had refered to you as viper. So weren't you in the england at one time?

The Drawing

I think M.T. 136 is actually the device Bessler used in his earlier models to brake the wheel, many eyewitnesses of that, it fits the description.

[Michael]

Winkie where on earth did you get your translation from?