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We have a single problem: the "self" change of the variable arm.
I do not see a problem...the opposing curvature of the variable arm with weight...would, at (after 12 posistion), have to seek its CoG from its pivot..

..any loss of velocity of the large swing arm...must invariably lead towards a greater acceleration of the lesser weight to drop to its CoG beneath its pivot.

..to this also, is the inertial movement of the short arm weight away from the axis of rotation.

...this (seems to be) a redundancy giving both inertial and leveraged advantage which carries the heavy counter balance around...

...none the less...this is conjecture...and I am open to different interpretation...

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Hi !

Let's make a deal regarding this topic ("Wheel vs. lever...").

If a wheel (shape) is a repetitive spoke/lever ,than we have an oversimplified problem,only:
-the shape of the spoke
-how it works

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jacob alex....

..its a deal:-)

..any suggestions....I'll continue to think on it..

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Hi !

It is the difference of opinion that makes a forum alive...

For a long time and here especially,the majority of people's preference is arabesque (complex and ornate design) style...or "wheel" concept.

But,why so many spokes/arms?

Every new opinion or question seeking for an answer ,at its starting has a certain loneliness,is the minority of one...but this is the real life.

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A very interesting phenomenon, concerning the distance passed, was noticed after varying
distance "D", which brings us to the conclusion that greater oscillations give greater movement and
also generate a greater amount of energy and that the gravitational force seems to "add" some
energy to the system. This comment should be accepted with caution because the scientific
community generally accepts the law of conservation of energy. But the experiment shows that it’s
evident that our gravitational force "helps" us to achieve greater movement of the pendulum system
in both cases
(sliding and rolling).

It does indeed - and I understand why. More on that later.

That is a vitally important paper you turned up, Ralph. How did you come to find it.

And now I have to take my grandsons to school. Firs things first, eh!
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Dear Grimer,
Victor Schauberger found it looking at the trout in the waterfall (lifted by the vortex without any effort).
Another device in relation with the same concept? see here:
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...you guys are good!!

...this is the part, where I need to listen and learn...and am delighted to do just that....

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Richard wrote:...you guys are good!!
Well many of us have been at this a long time. I would venture to guess that forum member who have been here for many years are some of the world's most knowledgeable people when it comes to PM related stuff.


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Hi !
From "Analysis of movement of elastic pendulum....",we can retain a "confession" of a member from the scientific "establishment"(Branislav Serdar):

"...in modern mechanics,analysis of the pendulum movement takes assumption that the movements are very small oscillation (less than 5*),while the movement of the pendulum at higher amplitudes is quite insufficiently explored,both theoretically and practically".

Point...but this is nothing new,and it goes without saying:on paper they have no tool (nonlinear "language"/mathematics) to describe a full up/down pendular fall in gravity.

Their theoretical study is limited to small oscillations:the old mechanical clock and the robotics domain(inverted pendulum,Furuta pendulum and others...).

Fortunately,on net there a lot of experiments regarding this process...and there are some sequences that you can assemble for your own point of view.

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...there is this , "thought to offer"...


...back some time ago...we were asked to consider why a spiraling object was faster in space than an equally acclerated non spiraling object....?

...now we have (what seems confident) a gain in energy of a pendule....sliding...and, rolling...

if we consider an gain in entropy...then it is possible that motion of a mass disturbs the "aDsorbent surface (friction) where by the aBsorption (volume of the mass) of another energy source is increased..

this is a reasonable explanation to both...I.E. a spiraling mass has the same forward motion..and then the added lateral motion to further influence the adsorbent (patina if you will) ...allowing the greater absorption of energy..
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Richard,
my 2 cents:
spiraling and/or rolling will be good if atmosphere resistance is playing around, even with very aerodynamic shapes !
In outer-space the situation is quite different!
Interesting to see in space is the proportional huge speed acceleration of bodies in elliptical trajectories when getting closer, and getting lower when spacing.
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Hi !

Let's ask for a time-out, for the moment,and take a look at:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh2a4a6JPM8

Now,we can think about the complexity (Thor's Hammers) and simplicity (Milkovic's "Hammer with a pendulum).

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