My last thread ...

[daxwc]

But what if nobody came grovelling after you built it?

What if everybody sees it for what it is just a wheel.

I see we crossed posts... I agree with your Assessment.

[daxwc]

Why do you need the forum's approval, acknowledgement and feedback?

Can't you just walk away or view it from a far?

[Rood]

I used to look up to certain people in this arena . There is a lot of misleading information being published . If you are mislead you will not see the answers . All these ideas and lies are not the real thing . Bessler was the real thing . When I realized that and narrowed my focus I was lead to the answers . When i say the student has become the teacher that is what I am referring to . It means I have a different understanding of this particular subject . I am not bragging, I just learned to see through all the BS . Bessler , in a nostalgic sense, has become my best friend . He had a mind like a steel trap .

[daxwc]

You know I could leave the forum at any time; it wouldn’t bother in the least to work on Bessler’s wheel alone. What are you accomplishing by pissing on the backs of peoples legs?

[Rood]

I wouldn't call it that . I'd call it ownership . I own this subject . My voice should be heard . One day soon you will understand . If that offends you ... If I seem arrogant or narcissistic I assure you that is not the case , however I am proud of myself . This board is the catalyst that took me so far so fast .
I owe it a lot and and I intend to deliver . You guys with the green dots are not the only ones here . You seem to forget that there is a certain fair wheel involved and a public . As you can see , I can engage in civil conversation if I'm willing to overlook the pokes and prods... the thing is , now more so than ever and increasing daily I know that I have the true jewel ... same as Bessler did . :)

[daxwc]

Rood you really need to learn to forgive people and their transgressions without any participation on their part, because in doing so you will free yourself. You also have to take responsibility for your own actions and why people act so negative towards them.

I have never worried about green dots or have ever made sockpuppets to boost them as others have. If you would change your ways, I would give you all my green dots, if I could find a way... I don't need them and the pecking order means nothing other than an indication of knowledge of the subject.

[Rood]

No offense but you probably can't tell me much that I don't already know . You are correct . Knowledge of the subject is meaningless without any PM ... therefore the green dots are meaningless .
To explain myself : I have a special view of the subjects at hand and I am willing to share only certain aspects of that view ...reason being I did not arrive to where I am with anyone's special assistance or their ideas . I am going to produce the very thing that Bessler did . If you think that is " run of the mill " then that saddens me because to me , it's a big deal .

[path_finder]

for John Collins:
if the first wheel in the animation above has a diameter of 60 (versus 180)
then the diameter of the rosa drum is 55 (versus 165, with a ratio of 11:12)
and the roller diameter is 27,5 (versus 82,5)
Can this be another clue, in addition to the 1:4 ratio for the two wheels ?

edited:
Below the updated animation.

[Rood]

There are other clues I have found since my knowledge has increased but I am not aware of that one . I do not buy into the code theory that John has . I think that he is reflecting on " The Di Vinci Code " . He has already said something to me pertaining to " the best man winning " so to me that's "no holds barred ."

[John Collins]

Thanks for the info p_f. I like your animation and just for the record the original is in MT137 not Apologia, but that aside I like what you do. I'm not sure that Bessler would have found the 55 in your rosa drum but it's an interesting thought.

I still prefer my argument that MT 137 simply disguises a circle of fifths, hence 5.

Personally I think the reference to 55 is much simpler than your ingenious animation. I am fairly convinced that he is referring to five mechanisms each with a pair of identical weights - or five mechanisms for each direction of the bi-directional wheels, only he had not built one of those when he first began to use the 55 reference.

Just my opinion and please continue with your amazing work p_f.

JC

[John Collins]

Rood, I say that to everyone, may the best man (or woman) win. This is not 'a no-holds barred competition', just a determination by all of us, I hope, to try to find a solution to this problem. Whoever does, will win the praise of all of us, but there has to be a working model first, nothing less will do.

As for me reflecting Dan Browne's codes, I publish what I find, some people accept it, others don't. It is exciting to consider the prospect that Bessler left sufficient information in his publications intended to enable others to reconstruct his wheel and if people liken my research to something from a Dan Browne novel, I have no problem with that.

JC

[path_finder]

I fully comply with the John's point of view: the most important is not to be the inventor but at least 'we did it'.
The final job is often the summary of a big amount of individual contributions.
So far nobody can pretend to be the inventor of the automobile.
For sure it will be the same for the resolution of the Bessler's secret.

I understand the motivation of Rood, an obsession being able to fulfill a life (p.e. Bernard Palissy)

Palissy was shown a white enamelled cup which caused him such surprise that he determined to spend his life to discover the secrets of its manufacture...etc...
For nearly sixteen years Palissy labored to recreate the pottery that he had seen, working with the utmost diligency but never succeeding. At times he and his family were reduced to poverty; he burned his furniture and even, it is said, the floor boards of his house to feed the fires of his furnaces. Meanwhile, he endured the reproaches of his wife, who, with her little family clamouring for food, evidently regarded her husband's endeavors as little short of insanity

Please Rood take care, don't burn your fourniture!...
On my own side I have already given my position earlier (http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 6502#56502
This quest is for me just a hobby and not an obsession, being almost busy with my job. Perhaps Rood has not this luck.
Anyway I will stop when built a working replicate of the 'flowerbowl'. I made recently some big progress.

[Rood]

Just mark my words here : The truth is very different from the misinformation and/or lies . There is so much of one and so little of the other... indeed you could build mountains with it if it was all on paper . The person who solves the wheel will have to be given special credit for not buying into any of the deception .

[daxwc]

Quote from AP :

"Oh, what stupidity this world is full of! Instead of a man being
congratulated for an important achievement he gets called foolish,
stupid and mad.

I am going to produce the very thing that Bessler did . If you think that is " run of the mill " then that saddens me because to me , it's a big deal.

The key word there is achievement, without the achievement it is even less than “run of the mill�; because the act of the quest is a personal quest, where only the achievement maybe a humanitarian one.

I do not buy into the code theory that John has . I think that he is reflecting on " The Di Vinci Code " . He has already said something to me pertaining to " the best man winning " so to me that's "no holds barred ."

Just mark my words here : The truth is very different from the misinformation and/or lies .

Everybody is allowed to have a constructive opinion. Since you do not have a working wheel your opinion is no better than JC’s. If you want to feed people a full lunch you need to put meat in your sandwich Rood than just the empty banter. Your opinion, your rights, your ideas, and your wheel are no better than everybody else’s. Why do you wish to inflict the same oppression that you accuse others of?

[jim_mich]

Why do you wish to inflict the same oppression that you accuse others of?

Because that is what dirty lying sock-puppets do. And that is why they receive the same in return. Sock puppets are all about "me, me, me". They continue to whine about how people treat them, but they never stop and look at themselves and how they sling mud at everyone on the forum. Sock puppets are full of stinky hot air.