Merseburg1, What I see..

[VANDUGEGS]

Pete,

I did not intend that to sound like it does. I wrote that after my reply to Bill. I have every intention to return what is due. I have always intended to offer you the benefits of our meeting and continue to do so. It is still unfortunate that we did do this under a contract and an agreed upon lump sum. If you new what you were looking at, then it is just a matter of time.
With regard to Bill, I do not know why he is doing what he does. I am going to take the day and look over his posts and see if I can find his reasoning for doing what he is?
I will not be pulled into disclosing anything pertinet, about the workings of the new machine. I just try to give direction to what I see and I have found.
Jim is very good at what he does, as is Jonathan, with the math. I give them credit were it is due,, even though they have said and done things I do not appreacite. This does not change their capability and drive towards finding the answers. As Jonathan said, their may be a small detail that has been overlooked. This is the reason for discussion and I for one would like to continue, with only that. Some have wondered why I started a post on a Bessler wheel, why not, this is a discussion board.

Darrell

[Ed]

I understand why Bill says you are playing dumb, because I can't imagine how it could be anything else unless there is a huge disconnect.

So, lets try this again.

Darrell, do you have a wheel that you have built and tested that once started will continue to turn indefinitely only being powered by gravity and nothing else? Some would call this a perpetual motion machine or just a gravity engine.

Keep in mind that anyone can put a round piece of wood on a bearing (or any other configuration) and give it a spin and call it a "working" wheel. It's round. It turns. It's a wheel, hence it "works".

Just remember that if you answer yes, you have a working gravity wheel, you will be claiming to have done what everyone on this board is attempting to do through discussion.

As Jonathan said, their may be a small detail that has been overlooked. This is the reason for discussion and I for one would like to continue, with only that. Some have wondered why I started a post on a Bessler wheel, why not, this is a discuss board.

If you answered yes, there is no need to uncover a "small detail" anymore. Do you understand? At this point, the only discussion required is details about your wheel. If you don't want to give details we all understand that. But you have to understand that persisting to stick to that claim but then coming here and basically saying "I've got mine working, so...how's everyone doing? Find anything yet?" Will get old VERY fast!

Catfeesh?

[VANDUGEGS]

I just finished looking at over 300 posts, made by Bill.
I see no post with his attempted wheel design.
I did find something that should be looked at again,

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:53 pm Post subject: This board is Great...!

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Seriously Scott. So cool to even see how many times a topic has been looked at. One thing, as for the garbage section your right it would be to time consuming. You could make it a rule though that if someone feels the need to flame-or potentially flame someone else, that they start a new topic thread. That way only the interested would look at it if they wanted, and it wouldn't interfere with the information in the original thread. Just an idea.

Mike

I will now post in the Off Topic, with answers to, as Mike says, FLAMING and only post to the oridginal Topic, as it should be.

Darrell

[ovyyus]

Darrell, helping to expose a lying parasite here in our own home is a necessary distraction.

Unlike you I ask for nothing in return for what I give. Unlike you, I do not use my failed wheel attempts to suck the blood of others. Unlike you I am not a lying fraud.

I predict you will now attempt to convince us all that there is 'something' you have omitted from your design that allows your bogus wheel to operate as you claim and that you have never disclosed this vital detail to anyone - yet. You know from experience that if you cast enough lines and keep at it you'll eventually get more nibble$. Take care you don't land a shark.

[Ed]

Take care you don't land a shark.

Good one Bill.

[Sevich]

Darrell, Darrell, Darrell, It's all over, you can keep the money but please return my goods, my address is on the NDA.

Knowing VANDUGEGS' personal address is the most important of all.

Getting in touch with the right people to do the job right the first time will see you get back all that you lent. (for a fee)

Since his photo has been posted to this forum, only his address is needed!

Would/could you reveal it?

[rlortie]

Gentlemen,

Don't look now, but I belive the Merseburg wheel has broken loose from it's axis supports, rolled out the window and is at the bottom of the moat.

That is what I see regarding the topic of this thread.

I joined this group due to health reasons that kept me contained. Hoping that it would offer something productive for me to participate in. I am now very disappointed in what I see. I cannot decide whether to say, it's a bunch of armchair philosophers or grade school bullies picking on the one in the barrel.

I am now some what familiar with Darrells work, if I had to reply to the question does it work? At this point in time I would have to reply, "it stands a good chance that it has and will. Remember, Henry Ford did not start his auto empire building Thunderbirds and Lincoln Town cars. He threw a rope over his shoulder and pulled the chassis of a Model "T" down his proto assembly line.

Darrell is currently in the Edison state of trying to light a light bulb with carbonized thread. He has sold himself on his idea so strongly that it has influenced others.

Apparently there is a few he did convince, and offered every thing except the pessimistic approach to balance Darrells enthusiasm. To think it out and improve together. Why not put them in the barrel also. Edison ended up with Tesla. Who will Darrell end up with.

I suggest taking a break and doing a browser search for a parable titled the "FIVE MONKEYS"

Ralph lortie

[Jonathan]

Except for one problem Ralph, all the monkeys sprayed with cold water are still here, there are many things which are not posted because of scruples that would makes this more than obvious. I for one am surprised that you have read the things he's said and are sympathizing with him, and so I'm very tempted to let out even more unbelievable claims, but I won't (the irony is killing me).

[rlortie]

Except for one problem Ralph, all the monkeys sprayed with cold water are still here, there are many things which are not posted because of scruples that would makes this more than obvious. I for one am surprised that you have read the things he's said and are sympathizing with him, and so I'm very tempted to let out even more unbelievable claims, but I won't (the irony is killing me).

Jonathan,

I know where your coming from and understand your position. I do not feel that I am sympathizing with him any more than I would other forum members who think they have it. It's a matter of understanding the headstrong instinct one builds when they feel that a new discovery has come their way. this is why I have stated; it takes a pessimist and an optimist to think-tank.

There are a lot of empirical people that have to do it the hard way. Such people are noted for having high mechanical aptitudes and low in other fields. I am such a person myself, I do not have the skills to simulate from a computer, or figure it out mathematically. I have to build it then trouble shoot for errors and upgrades.

I do not want to get involved with discussion of his social etiquette. That does not imply that he does not have a viable idea. I just think that he got over zealous with his idea and attempted to build a full size wheel. He then went searching and found investors that did not have the required empirical skills to say woe! boy slow down and lets look. he over built and is still thinking that way. Offer a boy all the candy he wants and the first thing he is going to do is seek a bigger bag.

I would just like to see this quenched and get on with the program. I think by now almost everybody with any observant eye has figured out the mechanics and theory of his wheel. Now is the time to discuss it and not him.

Ralph

[Clarkie]

I agree, let it drop,

Pete.

[VANDUGEGS]

I just lost contact with a person that was going to invest in the machine.
He was willing to build a machine, that I designed, that was telescopic and could have all the variables changed, as to have maximum power output.
I believe it was the last four days of posts that made the deference.
If I do not find a person to help, i may just disclose everything to the public and take a chance on making a living.

Thanks allot.

<( I just reread mt post, I sure whine alot.)>

Darrell

[rlortie]

Darrell,

You claim to have lost an investor, and believe it to be fault of this Forum. Maybe yes maybe no.

Here is what I would do if I had a working device. First be patient and consider the consequences of each move. Contact a science teacher at your local school or college. Show him your device and ask him to verify it. If it passes his test, he will be very happy to stand up for you. and be happy to receive the recognition that he discovered the man that built a working wheel. Once you get one reputable person behind you the effect will snowball into an avalanche. The only person you have to trust with a full explanation is the teacher.

"Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door" providing you get the publicity and verification.

Some have asked, if you have a working wheel, why are you still asking questions on this board, All I can say is, look at and read my signature.

Ralph

[VANDUGEGS]

A year has gone and went, that was fast.
The last year has been ... informative, to say the lest.
Not quite what I wanted to hear, but still interesting.
I hope this next year, will be extra special.
I will try to start a post, that will draw out the best, in all of us.

Taks care.

Darrell

[epistemologicide]

guys a fraud.

end of story. dont give him any money period.

he is lucky i didnt hand over any money to him cause i dont use the law for accountability. there should be no exception for him taking part in posts even if its helpfull infomation (he is a dumb ass any way) as its obvious that he is here only to rip people off and we dont need his help.

if further action needs to be taken to rid us of this thing. please contact me via pm.

epi

[VANDUGEGS]

I have come to the conclusion, that I am not well enough informed with the information that is probably available, threw the books that are now available, nor can I put myself in the time frame, when Bessler make his wheels. I do not know the knowledge, that was being drawn from at the time. Such as, (Materials, Mechanical knowledge, or even how to have made a clock.)
To date, I have not read any books on Mr Bessler but I will look into getting a book, for I think it would be very informative, as to the man himself and the knowledge he had before he started making his wheels.

When I look at the pictures of his wheels, all I do, is wonder how to put the workings of my wheel, into the shell of what I see.
At this time, all I will say is, it would be nice to know the mechanics of the time.
The only thing that makes sense to me, is why he enlarged his wheels. I have designed, gravity activated holding systems for a very slow moving machine. If all a person wanted was something that moved, it should be no problem but when you want power, you should at lest have a high RPM.

Darrell