a rebel without a crew

[getterdone]

I finaly started building again. My new shop isn't complete yet, but it's getting there.

I decided to start with a very simple idea. I hung one long lever(about 50 lbs) from the top to the bottom of the wheel, with 15lbs added at the bottom. For the rest of it I'm using light levers. Yesterday when I let it go I was getting 300 degrees of rotation, today I\m getting 330. Getting the other missing 31 degrees 'll be the hard part.

[Mark]

Getting the other missing 31 degrees 'll be the hard part.

Ain't that the truth?
Glad to see you're back at it. I'll be gettin' to it in about a week myself. The time away from building has given me time to give stuff a good think-through, anxious to try it all out.
Good luck, Leo. I hope one of us gets er done!

[getterdone]

Thanks Mark, I'll post some pictures later on when I've had time to make it look a bit more respectable. I think that my next move will be to build a heavy perimiter. This should give it a bit more of a flywheel effect.

Good luck with your build

[Mark]

Thanks, Leo.

I'm considering taking pics or vids this time around. Haven't done so in the past. Just kept it to myself (less embarrassment that way). I really should share more of my "unique" insights - lol.

[getterdone]

It's a question we all wrestle with, what to share, when to share and how much to share. I think it's a personal decision.

[getterdone]

It's been a while since I started this thread, I just wanted to post a pic of that great creation before I start dismantling.
The build was an attempt to show that weight can be transfered from the center of the wheel to the perimiter with very little movement. I was hoping to show that it is possible to have one side heavier than the other side with everything being of equal mesurements, same distance from the axle etc.. However, it didnt work with this lever arrangement. If I learned anything from this build , it is that I dont understand how it works. Im going back to an old design were it did work(by luck) and then I'll post the results here when it's complete

[getterdone]

Finaly got this pic down-sized. The grey lever was supposed to transfer some of it's weight to the perimiter. I was hoping for 2 kgs. Oh well. maybe next time

[Timothy]

If I learned anything from this build , it is that I dont understand how it works.

That, in a nutshell, sums up the status of the overbalanced wheel problem. Because we don't understand how it works (or ever can work), we have devised a Law that says it can't work.

[nicbordeaux]

Can't agree Timothy : we know exactly what a overbalanced wheel needs to do, what are the prime causes preventing it from doing what it needs to do... Any "law" devised results from taking the easy way out, eg not being capable of researching very exactly why and where the forces avaiable at start get "lost", and from where and at what time in the system we can get energy which is there but doesn't manifest itself as movement.

Repeating meself, but a wheel on a stand rotates. The stand doesn't budge. The entire mass of stand + wheel + OB weight is being acted on by gravity. Set the stand on a undamped suspension system allowing 1 cm of travel vertically from the "rest" position (therefore it will reset at start height if the wheel is bought to stop at exact release point, eg OB weight at 12) and you will have a working OB wheel.

[Timothy]

Can't agree Timothy : we know exactly what a overbalanced wheel needs to do, what are the prime causes preventing it from doing what it needs to do... Any "law" devised results from taking the easy way out, eg not being capable of researching very exactly why and where the forces avaiable at start get "lost", and from where and at what time in the system we can get energy which is there but doesn't manifest itself as movement

"We know exactly what the wheel needs to do." We don't understand how to do it. Therefore we have invented a law that says we can never get the wheel to do what it needs to do. The law is wrong but must be proven so. Until then............

We understand on a certain level. Obviously our understanding is lacking.

[daxwc]

We haven’t invented any laws; all scientific method holds the law true. What delusional conclusions that seem to bounce around in our craniums, quite similar to a pinball machine on acid, are another topic worthy only of Freud.

[Timothy]

We haven’t invented any laws; all scientific method holds the law true. What delusional conclusions that seem to bounce around in our craniums, quite similar to a pinball machine on acid, are another topic worthy only of Freud.

So, everyone on this site who believes a wheel can be perpetually unbalanced using weights (and/or levers) needs to have their head examined?

A little judgemental, don't you think??

[daxwc]

Tim, mankind didn’t just invent natural laws. We have one instantiated case with no principle or scientific method provided.

Add to that Bessler never said gravity powered his wheel. For example: I am working on a wheel that harvests rotational energy off of the earth. It has an energy source. I also uses gravity in the principle, but gravity is not the supply of the energy. If the wheel ever worked and I never told you where the energy comes from, but you kept making gravitational energy powered wheels to try to duplicate it, you would be ....

delusional:

1)A false belief:
a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric condition.

2) mistaken notion:
a false or mistaken belief or idea about something.





Definition of DELUSION
1
: the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2
a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

[nicbordeaux]

We haven’t invented any laws; all scientific method holds the law true. What delusional conclusions that seem to bounce around in our craniums, quite similar to a pinball machine on acid, are another topic worthy only of Freud.

Dax, let's take as a random example a blind drunk bum. We attach him in the car, i's dark, no lights. the steering is set for a 1 mile circle. We tank up the car and run it at 15 mph. After having done about 600 miles in circles indiscernable to our bum, the car stops. The speedo says 600 miles. The bum may claim that he has a law that scientific method holds true : as the place 600 miles away from where he started looks exactly like the place he ended, alcohol can make you mistake where you started from with where you end up.

[Timothy]

daxwc was asked:

So, everyone on this site who believes a wheel can be perpetually unbalanced using weights (and/or levers) needs to have their head examined?

daxwc responded:

Definition of DELUSION
1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

Once again, as is your custom, you refuse to answer the question.

But those who disagree with you are "deluded," "psychotic," and/or "abnormal."

Apparently one of us is.