David Diamond Gravity Wheel

[jim_mich]

Ok guys,
Here is where I'm at. While working on a simple design for Mr. Diamonds bouancy wheel I had a brain storm which did not work. I thought for a while I had something, but I was wrong. So for you edification here is what happened.

I was thinking of a way to eliminate the piping and i came up with a really simple design. A pipe was capped on both ends with steel weights. This was put inside another larger water filled tube. Two of these units where mounted on a single axle so they could rotate end over end. When they rotated the inner tube(s) would keep sliding to the bottom each half rotation.

My calculations (which had errors) showed that with the torque one the upper end was greater than the torque on the lower end. But with the design I had it took over a hundred mathimatical calculation to find the results. And I was doing these on an HP 48SX scientific calculator and keeping results on paper. I did calculations on three different models. Two of the three showed a positive torque.

I did an experiment. I used a 25 inch long board as a balance and to represent the outer tube. I used two pieces of steel 1.25 x 1.50 x .375 thick to repesent the steel. I used two pieces the same size but .062 thick to represent the water.

I know the weight ratio of water to air is 7.8:1 and my ratio of large piece to small piece was 6:1 so I was near the same ratio. By placing the pieces of steel on the balance board I simulated the water and weight shifting from on end to the other. The 'top' of the board would drop when the heavy weight moved to the 'bottom'. Now here was another error I made. With this mock setup the space in the middle was air. And this would make the inner tubes float, not sink.

The concept that I came up with which proved false was this... A heavy weight falling a short distance moves a light weight a longer distance, the resulting upper center of gravity and weight produces a larger torque on the wheel than the torque produced by the lower center of gravity and weight.

I wrote a program that does all the calculations and draws a sketch. With this it was easy to see what was happening and why. And with no math errors! I've uploaded a view of the program with the actual dimensions I used.

Now aren't you glad I didn't post this nonsense until I could prove it true or false?

[Jonathan]

The concept that I came up with which proved false was this... A heavy weight falling a short distance moves a light weight a longer distance, the resulting upper center of gravity and weight produces a larger torque on the wheel than the torque produced by the lower center of gravity and weight.

This is exactly what I have been working on (re: Environ), and I have come to the same conclusion. The fallacy in my mind is so strong that I just can't get myself to drop it, I think it was seeing the animations on that Environ website that made it seem like it could work. I haven't lost hope completely, but like I said, it is looking very bad for this idea.
Also,

My calculations (which had errors) showed that with the torque one the upper end was greater than the torque on the lower end. But with the design I had it took over a hundred mathimatical calculation to find the results. And I was doing these on an HP 48SX scientific calculator and keeping results on paper. I did calculations on three different models. Two of the three showed a positive torque.

Do you know calculus, because that would make that far easier. If you have an equation for the torque as a function of position, then all you have to do is take the definite integral with respect to theta which is bounded by [0,2pi]. My problem has been doing this, because all my torque equations were piecewise, and I don't think I know how to take the antiderivative of peicewise functions, so I had to have my calculator do it, but it could only do it in specific cases (where I input the constants).

[TommyK]

Anything is possible on paper as with the Environ animations.
We do not see a real life working model, and when I expressed interest as an investor, to their website and I asked what company in Bangledesh was contracted for the device, I was told that the information is private.
Go figure.

[grim]

That's unfortunate. Thought I had a place to invest all the millions the Nigerian bankers keep trying to send here.

[investor]

Yeah, whenever I express interest as an investor to some corporation, I seem to get those blank emails except for the 78pt. font that reads simply:

LOL.

Why, even the nigerians laughed at me when they saw my account balance and then felt sorry for me and put a few bucks in.

[jim_mich]

Hey, I found a way to support my research!!

I am Princess OBY OLISE EZEGUMBA daughter of
Chief Dike EZEGUMBA, the king of Ogoni
Kingdom. I am 25 Years old and a graduate of Mass
Communication. My Father was the king of Ogoni Kingdom
the highest oil Producing area in Nigeria. He was in
charge of Receiving Royalties from the Multi-national
oil Companies and government on behalf of the oil
Producing communities in Nigeria.

After the hanging of The Ogoni Nine (9) including Ken
Saro Wiwa by the late Dictator General Sani Abacha,
my father suffered Stroke and eventually he died
November 15th last year. But before his death, he
called me secretly and told me in confidence that he
has the sum of Twenty Three Million Five Hundred and
Sixty Thousand Dollars(USD23,560,000.00) cash in his
Possession, and that this Money is Specially deposited
in a Security company here.

He advised me not to tell anybody except my mother who
is the last wife of the (8) eight wives that he
married. My mother did not bear any male child for
him. Which implies that in all my fathers' properties,
companies' e.t.c, we have no share in them because my
mother has No Male child according to African
Tradition. My father therefore secretly gave me all
the relevant Documents regarding the said money
deposited in the Security Company, and told me that I
should Use this money with my mother and my younger
sisters Because he knows that traditionally, if he
dies we Cannot get anything, as inheritance.

He importantly Advised me that I should seek foreign
assistance and that I should not invest this money
here in Nigeria Because of his other wives and male
children who happen to be my elders.

Hence, I am soliciting for your immediate assistance
to enable us MOVE this money from the Security company
here to you if you can promise to be Reliable and
Trustworthy. Then once the money gets to your hands,
you will first procure a Bungalow for us wherein we
Will live with my mother and two younger sisters and
Further advise me where and how I will invest the
balance money overseas, possibly on products of your
Company and other profitable ventures.

I believe that by the special grace of God, you will
help us move this money out of Nigeria to any country
of your Choice where we can invest this money
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part of this Money based on our agreement, and God
will bless you as you help us. My Mother and I
suggests to give you 25% of the total sum as your
compensation for your expected earnest help. If you
agree with us, send your full name, address and your
telephone number to me via email so that I can raise
application in your favour to the Security Firm for
the claims of the Consignment/Funds.
This business is Riskfree and everything shall be
concluded within five days of receiving the needed
information from you.

Please reply through my e-mail Looking Forward to hear
from you as soon as possible.

Best regard,
PRINCESS OBY OLISE EZEGUMBA

This is just one of many I've received. LOL

[MrTim]

If you want to have fun with the Nigerian scam, type "Ebola Monkey Man" into your search engine. They bait these people like you wouldn't believe.

[grim]

The burning questions in my mind are, when Bessler fell (or jumped?)from the windmill, as the ground loomed up did he see his shadow, and if so, was there six more weeks of winter?

[MrTim]

when Bessler fell (or jumped?)from the windmill,

You forgot "pushed". Mustn't leave out the conspiracy freaks! (They will be so upset if they are not included......)
And also, who's to say the windmill didn't suddenly move out from under him, leaving him hanging in mid-air for a split second, like Wiley E. Coyote, just before he falls to the bottom of the canyon? [Pooom!] (Okay, that last one's stretching it a little. The only way that could conceivably happen is if space aliens were involved, which brings us back full circle to "The Conspiracy".....)
Must consider all of the possibilities, no?
;-P