Bessler's Second possible secret of Genuis

[Michael]

To all that are interested in following this thread.
I have asked four people to recreate the pendula in what ever fashion they can to verify that it works as I stated. Please don't take any offence if I haven't asked you but I've worked a little with these guys before.

Michael

[rlortie]

To all that are interested in following this thread.
I have asked four people to recreate the pendula in what ever fashion they can to verify that it works as I stated. Please don't take any offence if I haven't asked you but I've worked a little with these guys before.

Michael

Michael,

I have a Celtic cross pendulum hanging in my shop. The cross arm is
1-1/2" angle 5' long, the stem is 1-1/2"x 48" long flat bar and the connecting or linkage is of flat bar 23" long. My wheel is 48" in diameter 12" thick axle is 1" nickle alloy, bearings are self-aligning "Dodge type.

Due to health I got cut short before fabricating the stand to hold it and the weights.

[coylo]

I don't really get MT 16, is it possible it could be drawn in error?

The inner round weights that rest on the warped boards seem to be connected to something that behaves firstly like a lever and then all of a sudden behaves like a floppy string?....and then there's the sudden elevation of the 9 o'clock weight?
Maybe the basis of your idea Michael is that you see something I don't.
It's been a bit of a stumbling block in trying to follow this thread.

Nevertheless, good luck with your idea. The quicker someone cracks this the quicker I can get on with the rest of my life!

[Michael]

Ralph,
Got your private message, and you are right. the reason I am posting that here is because in time I will talk more about it openly. The difference is, there is one where you can completely do that to and the poem then fits.

Michael

[rlortie]

Ralph,
Got your private message, and you are right. the reason I am posting that here is because in time I will talk more about it openly. The difference is, there is one where you can completely do that to and the poem then fits.

Michael

Michael,

Well at least MT16 fits "the peacock spreads it's tail, two weights together at rim, first their is a rim and then there is not, the cat chases the mouse". That only leaves the questionable weight at 10 o'clock. The rest speaks for itself.

Also note the mutiple "YIN-YANG"

Ralph

[rlortie]

I don't really get MT 16, is it possible it could be drawn in error?

Coylo,

I do not believe it is in error as it is to obvious, their is something going on here that we just haven't opened our minds too. For example note that their are two "A's" while nothing else is so marked. in the translation thread there are posts relating to different "A's" one having a "V" in its cross bar.

Finding this in multiple drawings, like the water wheel pumping water up a three story building is essential. it is my thought that the "V" cross bar is some how related to upper or higher than lower "A" some as saying, water seeks or will pump to its highest level. Same concept as early miners used to pump water with "Ram pumps". Or maybe he is leading us on a wild goose chase, only the receptive will know.

Ralph

[Ed]

The pantagraph is used to magnify. If anything I think Bessler is just saying to take a closer look at certain items by using this type of A.

[Vic Hays]

I think the curved boards in MT 16 are phony. The fact that the weights are not following them is very suspicious. Weights sliding along curved boards would increase the friction. I really like this particular concept, but if the weights were swinging instead of sliding, the friction losses would be much lower.

Edited to say that the weights in the drawing are following the curved boards, but the 9 o'clock weight is following the underside of the board instead of following gravity which would have it falling to the next lower board.

[Michael]

Hi Vic,

I hope you guys respect that until the other guys verify what I said about the pendula there is little I think I should comment on M.T. 16. I have to send off a few diagrams because words just don't cut it. However, feel free to comment on it as much as you want, but Vic, your right about the curved boards.
Ralph your very perseptive. I hope you were refering to Bessler leading you on a wild goose chase and not me. You can tar and feather me if I don't stand up to what I am implying.


Michael

[Michael]

Oh hell, since you said it Ralph,

The wheel boasts the peacocks tail. It stretches to the right, and to the left ( the mechanics). Here (the right) it is full (the peacocks tail) , there (the left) it is empty (no peacocks tail).

[rlortie]

Oh hell, since you said it Ralph,

The wheel boasts the peacocks tail. It stretches to the right, and to the left ( the mechanics). Here (the right) it is full (the peacocks tail) , there (the left) it is empty (no peacocks tail).

Michael,

First, thank you for the "very perspective" comment. I have been a mechanical-electrical trouble shooter since the Navy in 1957. My clerical aptitude is low, my mechanical is way above average as proven by tests.

Second, I apologize if you feel I have let the cat out of the bag by my statements. So far I have seen little comment that there are many who are picking up on it. As for as the principle of MT16, it follows my basic design but I have two other approaches to try first.

I was refereing to Bessler as he is the one who has been playing with our mind for over 300 years.

Ralph

[wheelrite]

have a look at the sprung double pendula on one of Harrisons cloccks.
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/collec ... ID=ZAA0034
regards
J

[Michael]

Hi Ralph,

I don't mind.

Michael

[Michael]

I managed to get a throat cold, so I'm moving a little slow. I've just sent the diagrams to the people I've mentioned. Will write up more on this in a day or two.

For now, It's been mentioned by Wolffe that he saw into the wheel, and described weights on arms and them hitting curved boards. It's been mentioned by John and others that it would have been impossible to see into the wheel. I wonder if he figured out M.T. 16 held special importance and was taking a guess and trying to make Bessler talk.

Michael

[ovyyus]

It's been mentioned by Wolffe that he saw into the wheel, and described weights on arms and them hitting curved boards.

Incorrect - Wolff never saw weights on arms...

"...I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these through a slit. They are slightly warped... Christian Wolff, letter to Leibniz, examination of Merseburg wheel, 19th December, 1715."

The above quote is at http://www.orffyre.com/quotes.html from John Collins book "Perpetual Motion - An Ancient Mystery Solved?"