Report on a remote viewing carried out for me in 2008

[John Collins]

I'm naturally highly sceptical that anyone can 'remote view' back in time, however I could not refuse an offer by a professional group of remote viewers to see what, if anything they could discover about Bessler and his machine. This was back in 2008.

The reason why I have never mentioned it is because I did not find anything 'remotely' interesting in their report...at the time. However recent discussions on my blog prompted me to take another look at the report. I was surprised to discover a drawing of a building which bears a remarkable similarity to a photo of Bessler's windmill; this alone might be dismissed as coincidence, however the drawing also includes the comment that something about the top is not right and more importantly it shows a figure lying prostrate on the ground.

Adjacent are the words, 'trip, fall, surprise!' One might conclude that the top was wrong because it wasn't finished and also did not include the planned horizontal windmill. And of course Bessler fell to his death from the windmill.

I still don't believe that one can see backwards in time, but might it be possible to retrieve in real time facts stored elsewhere such as in mine or someone else's head?

Anyway, for those interested I've published a summary report plus the original detailed report on my web site at http://www.orffyreus.net/

Some of us who follow the concept that heat, ambient or otherwise, was involved in some way will find support in the report.

Looking forward to responses with some nervousness :-)

JC

[daxwc]

Thanks JC, I know it is hard giving away such things.

First what exactly do they start with. I see quite a bit of simularities to the viewers sugestion he looks like John Roberts.

I think we could use Micheal with his perspective on remote viewing; seems like an area he would study.

[Ealadha]

Inventers beware , remote viewers from the future could be watching you ! :)

[murilo]

John,
you are talking of things that are without doubts stuffs in some circles.

No doubts and can be done by yourself.

It's a question of self control of emotions, practice, courage and a good real motive, or reason to do it.

People says that you may 'program' yourself to do it during a dream and this will happen as kind of 'dream' in the most suitable moment.

Important is to wake-up right after the 'dream'... 8)

For sure, there are the gifted people, that as every 'people' may fail. 8(

Beau voyage!
M
PS edition: ops... besides this msg seems to be arrived to wrong thread, I must to complete the list with necessary items: FOCUS! You'll need to have focus, since the coming images may be in millions of mixed details. This means also that before observe one need to absorb.

[daxwc]

A Mill comparison, as I take it the top was changed since bessler.

Did they have your name JC?

[John Collins]

After Bessler died the building which was unfinished, was adapted to house the new Furstenberg porcelain factory. They had nothing other than the number 1991-7381 which I think relates to the organiser's filing system.

PS. The organiser of the scan has requested any links to discussion of this event so he may join in here, I don't know.

JC

[Trev]

Thanks for posting this, John.

ALL the viewers were BLIND to this target and project.

If this is true, it's amazing the amount of it that is about machines.

My recent visit to a medium was a complete waste of time, LOL.

Trev.

[daxwc]

Trevor Quotes:

ALL the viewers were BLIND to this target and project.

They must get started somehow to the topic, also their boss must know as he approached JC. I would like to know exactly who or what the remote viewers are beading on; they have to start with some info.

My recent visit to a medium was a complete waste of time, LOL

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We are not talking normal medium. One has to remember remote viewing is an ongoing military intelligence tool.

[Ealadha]

Have they tried using tea leaves .

[Ealadha]

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They must get started somehow to the topic, also their boss must know as he approached JC. I would like to know exactly who or what the remote viewers are beading on; they have to start with some info.
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You know how to find out , don't you , by remote viewing the remote viewers . :)

[John Collins]

I think the point is that they are not allowed to know anything at all. Just the files co-ordinates, an eight figure number.

The Rv organiser has offered to arrange another scan if I can think of something that can be more readily validated.

I originally offered (Johann Bessler’s machine, Gera, Germany, 6th June, 1712) in the first case because I could not think of something specific. They need an approximate date and place. Maybe one of the examinations at Merseberg or Kassel would be better as we have a dates and places. I could ask him to describe the weights being removed.

By the way I understand the misgivings about how reliable the Rv organiser is and how trusted he should be, but at the end of the day we cannot know for sure if he is to be trusted 100 per cent, but we assume he is and indeed from what I know of him he is a complete professional and military trained in this specific procedure and he has been going long enough not to need any kind of fake results to bolster his reputation.

Nevertheless it is as well to be circumspect and if he retrieves something new then we can acknowledge his skills and his integrity.

JC

[daxwc]

Typically a remote viewer is expected to give information about an object that is hidden from physical view and separated at some distance.[3][4] The term was coined by parapsychologist Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff while running the SRI team, to distinguish it from clairvoyance.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing

So a team gets a hold of you JC, says they might help. Do a session, and then give you the report, hoping you get a chubby and will then put money towards their services. Was there any sly indications, more could gathered for financial services?

UK government research
In 2001–2002 the UK Government performed a study on 18 untrained subjects. The experimenters recorded the E field and H field around each viewer to see if the cerebral activity of successful viewings caused higher-than-usual fields to be emitted from the brain. However, the experimenters did not find any evidence that the viewers had accessed the targets in the data collection phase, the project was abandoned, and the data was never analyzed since no RV activity had happened. Some "narrow-band" E-fields were detected during the viewings, but they were attributed to external causes. The experiment was disclosed in 2007 after a Freedom of Information request.[21

Any of this group?

[John Collins]

No I told them right from the start I couldn't afford to pay them anything now or in the future - and in fact I told them I was extremely sceptical but that I would try to keep an open mind. That is why I have never bothered to even report the matter 'til this singular coincidence was noticed, some three years after.

JC

[Ealadha]

Their motive could be that if they succeeded , they could advertise they solved the bessler wheel by remote viewing to gain contracts .

[daxwc]

What is on the top of the mill in the original drawings?

Would the mill be considered ornate in its day?