What inspired Bessler

[killemaces]

Where on earth did Bessler find inspirations to his wheels?
Like any good inventor, Bessler probably found the answer in plain sight after careful observations of nature
He even said so himself

Where does that leave us?





Plant kingdom?
Any flower that spin perpetually?

He drawed a lock at the bottom of his wheel drawings, could this mean that the secret grows out of the earth?





Animal kingdom?


Mineral kingdom?




Or in the middle somewhere?

In energy?Gravity?electricity?wind ?temperature


Please discuss:)




I wish i was better at finding the right question, the answer is the easy part......

[path_finder]

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[silverfox]

I suspect that Bessler was inspired by many of the same motives as well as having studied much of the same arcane material as the legendary figure in this far older woodcut did.

So is the indistinct globe Bessler is pictured resting his own compass on in his workshop really a globe at all, or had he too acquired his own version of the fabled "philosophers stone" that the illustrious Dr. Dee is said to be pictured with in this image and that he no less claimed allowed him to communicate with "the angels"?

[daxwc]

Here Silverfox a few dots to connect; one has to remember Bessler was an alchemist according to the newspaper.

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/sendi.html

[killemaces]

Well, in my mind there must be a simple thing here on earth that inspired him to find the solutions to spin those wheels.

There must be a simple answer right in front of our eyes

In MT he talks about a special connection prinicple, which is neccesary if you want to create a perpetual downhill relative to the earth that is as there really arent ups and downs

Could the answer lie in the way the axl was made?
He said that his axl was pierced and full off various holes.

If you think about an axl in its bearing, it must always run upphill
How can you create a bearing that always points down
Can we manipulate the center somehow?

Is there a way to avoid this with out loosing height?

The answer must lie in the center:)

[path_finder]

Why not this, which has been discovered at his time (Cardano)?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_stop

[raj]

What inspired Bessler?

The answer must be exactly what inspire us, you and I to spend hours seeking PM, within our faculty, means and limits.
Maybe, like me, it was his pleasurable way to spend his idle time, in seeking the unknown, even with the views of acclaimed impossibility, and failure.

The famous:'Seek and you will find!'

While we are dwelling on Bessler's inspiration, does anyone know what was Bessler's last drawing.?
I believe that his last drawing would be the design that worked.
I don't think the need for continue to draw any new design once you've designed the working model.

At least, I won't.
Raj

[jim_mich]

I think most of the MT drawings were made after he found his solution to perpetual motion. His desire was to start a school where he would teach what PM principles do not work and more importantly what does work. The MT drawings were going to be in his text book.

[killemaces]

I dont think MT was meant fore educational purposes.
Why would he include 143 drawings to show nothing that works?

Its a bit of a mystery to me why he made MT at all
He even says so himself that he will not reveal anything before later on


It was not an easy task to cut all those woodcuts,
he must have spendt a lot of time doing that:)

Would take atleast one day of work to finish one cut?

So what reason could he have to make MT?
Maybe to confuse?

Or maybe it was to document his own learning process...

Why didnt he finish the text?

Why make so many drawings, if the solution was so simple as he claims?

What do you learn if you study MT drawings?

He also says that combining different MT drawings will lead to the solution and that must mean that MT is just some sort of game for us to solve?

[Ealadha]

Killemaces , who said combining different MT drawings will lead to the solution ?

[Ealadha]

Did Johann Bessler say that . Or are people imagining he said it !
Which is it ?

[daxwc]

One could always research it themselves; there is lots of information on the forum already.

[killemaces]

Maschinen Tractate
" Further demonstrations regarding the possibility and impossibility of perpetual motion


NB. May 1, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them. "


- Johann Bessler, cover page of Maschinen Tractate

[Tarsier79]

Just combining them will not help you. I believe Bessler left somewhat cryptic clues in his writings and drawings as to the principle he used.

#oops

[Ealadha]

Where on earth did Bessler find inspirations to his wheels?

I have heard that Bessler was modelling from nature .