My Bessler wheel

[Shawn7363]

Hello Everyone,

I want to say that, I only became interested in PM about 2 weeks ago. I was going to start off using magnets, instead I have found numerous sites using gravity based projects and that's when I came across Besslerwheel.com. I have read just about everything in the sidebar of the your homepage and something seemed to click.

That's when I opened up paint.net and drew something in less than an hour(thursday night into early friday). And Friday night I signed up for an account so I could post my drawing..

Let me know what you think, but dont kill me with complicated math or physics, etc... Higher education was not my thing! But I do learn something new everyday...

The second largest wheel is off center(not on purpose) and the springs wrap around the center of the weights and every like numbered weight are paired by the spring, be it bungy cord, etc..
I only added the springs to 2 sets( 1 and 5 ) to not have anyone confused with too many lines in the drawing.

Ok, let me have it!

Shawn

[Tarsier79]

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... le=MT_1-20

Here is a good place to start. Good luck in your search.

[AB Hammer]

Shawn7363

Welcome to the search/madness You need to look at youtube for there are hundreds of ways not to build a wheel. You can also look up at Albums at the top of the page and you will see several pictures of ideas of our members here.

There are two things to look for in this quest.

1. what does not work. This will help narrow down the search.

2. Learn by yours and others experiences of what can.

As for your drawing. It is to veg to evaluate. Either a better picture or a better description of the intent.

[Shawn7363]

Thank you for the information, I had a lot to look at, and read. I did learn something new today, that my first drawing is crap for one, hopefully I will get better at this. And I created a new drawing that I have not seen on the net, so far.

Has this been tried? I dont know.

In this drawing I have a platform suspended from the center axis that will not allow the weights to touch the lowest point of the outer rim. My thinking is, that no weight will be in this critical area on the outer rim and rejoin right after the lowest point and have little effect on the center axis.

Feel free to add a design of weights with this platform and then give it a try. Test different lengths of the platform, positioning, add counter weights near the center axis(pendulum), etc..

Any ideas or thoughts are always appreciated.
I only wish I had more time..

Shawn

[daanopperman]

Shawn7363 ,

In any power source , if you strip it down , remove all the parts , dissect it , you will find that it cannot run without one vital " piece " , and that " piece " is the fuel , be it electricity , compressed air , solar , sound , nuclear , wind , see if you can find any source of fuel ,( like for instance a fart , it is easy to produce , but the action of it is devastating ) in the sky , on the land or in the sea , and then you can start to make plans to using it to move weights so gravity ( the overbalance may give more power than the fuel) can act on the weights and cause the wheel to move . If you strip a gravity wheel down , you will end up with a balance scale with many balancing beams all at different angles to the horizontal plane . No one alive knows if Bessler's wheel "generated" it's own "fuel" , but just as any power source today the wheel needed some parts , to bring the fuel into useful power , what they were or how they worked is the quest . It is good to start with ideas on how you want the wheel to work , and work your way forward , I am sure if ten thousand people were asked to build a wheel , you will find that in more than half of the end product the thought would be the same . If you do not receive the attention you wanted for an idea , do not be disheartened , it only means the idea is not so good , work on it and present it again , if you are serious in your quest you will find answers from the members , good luck .
Daan .

[Bill_Mothershead]

Welcome to the forum, Shawn.

... dont kill me with complicated math or physics, etc...
Ok, let me have it!

I hope another thing you learn today is that
most long time members of this forum
have patience and tolerance.

To make progress, we try our best to be constructive
rather than adversarial...cooperation rather than
controversy.

(with a few exceptions)

I am encouraged that you are starting by sharing pictures.
These will be seen by many, many people, including
international members with bare minimum English skills.

Do NOT be discouraged at a low level of comments.
Many people will see the drawing and not understand it
or may not think of anything constructive to say
at-this-time. They wait for others to comment and
thus increase their understanding of what is going on.

I like your drawings but confess I do not understand
what you are trying to show. I appreciate the time and
effort you have taken to create and post this material
and really look forward to reading a few more words
describing the important principles you are showing us.

[JuBragg]

Shawn7363,
Welcome, if you don't take it too seriously - that is take failures to heart - then it's not a bad hobby.

Your first sketch said "keeling" to me, even if the total leverage/weight on one side is greater than the other, if the weight in the bottom half of the wheel is greater than the top half, it won't keep turning, i.e. it acts like a keel in a ship.

Your second sketch, you could be on to something. It could bypass this effect. You may have to work in 3 dimensions, to clear other workings of the wheel but it is worth trying.

One wheel I made had billiard balls rolling down curved ramps as they left the top position, then jumping up to a higher position on the way down. If they could be diverted sideways to a platform from 4 o'clock straight to just before 8 o'clock it may have prevented keeling.

Unfortunately I was running short of space so I destroyed the wheel only a few weeks back!

[Shawn7363]

Ok , the work week is over, now I hopefully can answer the concerns and any questions

AB Hammer, Bill_Mothershead, Jubragg

In the first drawing I was trying to have each pair of weights work together as well as work with the other pairs. And as they would swing down and hit the weight in front of them, that it would act like one of those office toys you see on someone's desk, moving the opposite end weight up and around with the help of the bungee cord (or spring) and the momentum of the wheel..

But after posting, I ended up thinking that it needed something else to help it along..

So I made another sketch to sort of 'mate' with it, thinking that the free hanging shelf would keep the weight off the 'keel' and help the process even more.. So members, try to imagine my 2 drawings together as one..

Thank you to all who have responded.. All concerns, ideas, questions are always welcome

Bill,

You quoted me,

All I was trying to get across about my education was, I do not know the laws of physics, nor do I wish to learn them.. I feel I am better off not knowing them.. That way I have no boundaries, no limits, etc..

"Let me have it". Means, I will take all comments, good or bad from anyone, because I believe that you can learn from anyone, no matter their IQ..

Shawn