Real gravity engine can be made:But Not a Perpectual motion machine.

[Unbalanced]

Thanks Jim, I see it was the misplaced "M" should have caught that.

[Unbalanced]

That was an interesting two videos Aman/Jim, Thanks.

I see that a separate, non-rotating structure is required to keep these weights off centered.

I suppose that a free, hanging structure similar to what is shown in MT13 could be employed to accomplish this.

[Aman]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQRxeqRUL4

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29zRKexj7XE


If this can't work,you can search for:

http://m.youtube.com/user/snpssaini

and then,on snpssaini's You Tube channel,search for Perpectual Motion Machine.

[Aman]

Thanks Unbalanced very much for interesting information!
And let me clarify that that machine in two You-Tube animation videos was not at all Perpectual.
My question is if technology is available,why we are simply sleeping and ignorant enough to pay cash to petroleum industry!
We should do something,it's high time when we have to save our planet and technology is in front of us,You Tube video reveals the truth to me.Few People like me already have invented Non Perpectual gravity engines.
please do something to create public awareness about real gravity engines.
There are plentiful cheaters on the Internet who claim to invent Perpectual machines.We need to filter out those real 6 - 7 real Non-Perpectual gravity engine inventions out of so many Un workable gravity engines.

The problems of fatique and creep in the engine,if any can be solved by modern enginiering!

[Unbalanced]

The videos are simply a representation of an idea and in reality Aman it is not an altogether bad idea.

Bessler states:

"On one side it is heavy and full; on the other empty and light, just as it should be." - pg 363

which this simulation fulfills to some measure.

Aman, you state:

My question is if technology is available,why we are simply sleeping and ignorant enough to pay cash to petroleum industry!
We should do something,it's high time when we have to save our planet and technology is in front of us,You Tube video reveals the truth to me.Few People like me already have invented Non Perpectual gravity engines.
please do something to create public awareness about real gravity engines.
There are plentiful cheaters on the Internet who claim to invent Perpectual machines.We need to filter out those real 6 - 7 real Non-Perpectual gravity engine inventions out of so many Un workable gravity engines.

The simple truth is that this specific "technology" is not available and so we happily pay cash for petroleum. We are trying to "do something," that is why we are all here.

I caution you to be careful with your words when you state things like, "Few People like me already have invented Non Perpectual gravity engines." as this gives us the impression that you actually have a solution.

But when you follow this sentence with, "There are plentiful cheaters on the Internet who claim to invent Perpectual machines." I have to lump you in with this group, until you can clearly demonstrate a running wheel.

Once again I feel compelled to state; that I mean only the best for you and I look forward to the day that you can convince us that you have achieved this great accomplishment.

Until then, all very best regards

[jim_mich]

Aman, so far, no one has built and displayed a perpetual motion machine that actually works, except maybe Bessler. Most all PM machines attempt to use gravity as a source for perpetual motion. Science tells us that gravity is a conservative force and thus cannot supply perpetual energy.

So, the bottom line is, until someone re-discovers Bessler's principle whereby the motions of weights produces perpetual motion of a rotating wheel, until that time, there are no known working perpetual motion machines in existence.

So you can rant and rave all you want. It will do no good until Bessler's secret (or some other free-energy device) is discovered.

(Unbalanced beat me to posting the same basic thoughts)

[Aman]

Hi Jim,
Thanks for making the discussion great!That machine in the video was not Perpectual,the persion who made the animation don't know what "Perpectual "really means.I understood the principle of working wholly!But I have the concern of friction between the rails/spokes of the wheel and the heavy balls,which will hinder the smooth travel of ball over the rail/spoke.The concept can still work,but what enginiers has to do is finding and making new techniques to reduce friction between the balls and the rails/spoke!The video leaks the secret of the concept,I understood the concept fully and I have confirmed that It will work,provided engineers are able to reduce friction between balls and rails/wheel spokes.
We don't have to wait for any one to proove the concept in that video,but we need to reduce friction (very very important).
The concept in video is Wrongly tittled as "Perpectual". it is not Perpectual!

I have heard of new magnetic lubrication systems including magnetic friction less bearings which are slowly commercialised and which are under research,which can be used here!

Due to friction,wear out and fatique stresses are more prone to occur here compared to that of my engine design!
So the challenge is friction,fatique,creep and wear,a totally engineering problem!

[Unbalanced]

Aman writes"

we need to reduce friction (very very important).
The concept in video is Wrongly tittled as "Perpectual". it is not Perpectual!

A solution to this may possibly be found here:

"No. 26: This is somewhat different from the previous model, but it can be described simply: A are levers which are interrupted at B and equipped with weight-wheels at C. The weight-wheels run in a channel E and are attached to the cords D. As the diagram shows, one side is heavier than the other. Behind this problem one looks for an augmented problem."
- Johann Bessler

No Aman it is not Perpectual it is not even PERPETUAL, but it may be a reasonable idea to build upon.

[Aman]

Thanks unbalanced for usable information.I am not aware of how Bessler wheel works!It will be good if you can provide more details about bessler's wheel!
Oh ok,I am trying to understand now,How bessler wheel might have worked,based on the last diagram you have posted!

It seems I have a doubt,how one side is heavier than other,that's what we want but I am confused how?

[jim_mich]

Aman, please understand. All of Bessler's MT drawings are of unworkable ideas. None of them work. None of the MT drawings have ever worked.

Bessler makes a statement that if you take portions from a number of his drawing, and combine them together, it will indeed be possible to find his movement that produces perpetual motion.

But the many drawings are like tinker toys, building block, or erector sets. There are millions of possible ways to combine parts from the different drawings.

Thus, the MT drawings are of no help in looking for a solution, except that they show what will not work.

[Unbalanced]

@Aman,

My intention is to spark your imagination by giving you examples of certain elements within Bessler's various wheel designs, that you might try to borrow, taking one component from this design and another from that design and combining them "with a discerning mind" to ultimately find a "movement in them."

From the video you provided us, I recommended that these weights may be kept away from the center by utilizing a stationary weight that rides on the axle but does not turn with it. This could be modified to hold these weights off-center, i.e. it is a work-around for this simulation that could feasibly enhance this simulation by allowing it to be kept within the confines of the wheel that Bessler demonstrated so widely.

Again you wrote, of the problem of friction (with this simulation) and so I gave you MT26 as a means of demonstrating that the wheel weights
might be employed to offset the friction that seemed to be present in this simulations design.

If we hope to succeed we must determine for ourselves which elements of which wheels must be incorporated in a wheel of our own imagining that might just possibly represent a solution and then before making any wild proclamations about our combination of elements, we must build our designs or run them on a simulator to see if indeed they have merit.

(This time Jim beat me to it.)

[Aman]

Thanks Un balanced,Yes definately,I also see things and try to merge good things/elements of those with my ideas in unique way!Definately we learn from so many different things!
So I have learnt so much from the usable pictures you posted and the videos I have seen!
This will help me in making more powerful and more compact gravity engines.
There is no deny that my engine works but it still generates power not more than power enough to light up a tube light and a bulb.I want to increase the efficiency so that one day,it may power a car also.

[Unbalanced]

@Aman,

I am getting the impression that you may not be aware of a wonderful resource for Bessler information and so I will post two links here that you may not be aware of. If you have not seen these, I recommend that you spend some time there. If you have seen these I apologize. I am only trying to be helpful.


http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... le=MT_1-20

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... rtal:Clues

As to powering a car with your actual "working gravity motor" I would recommend that you use it to generate electricity and drive one of the several electric car options on the market.

[Aman]

Thanks,Bessler wheel is new to me,and I came to this website because I found this interesting website to discuss my real invention!
Yes there is unexpected progress in electric car technology because of the team at tesla Motors Limited who created the Tesla Model S.
I also want to talk of most best available transport solution!We want people's help to bring down investment cost of Tesla Model S.
The tesla model S premium electric sedan Impresses allmost every one who heard of its mileage!The Model S has a range of allmost 480 Kms. on one single charge and that's allmost sufficient!It takes only 45 minutes to charge it full with special charging system.Its the car which people want,a true car of 21st century!No other electric car did till now 480 Kms. Per charge!Tesla has created history!

"Model S is a remarkably important car. This car shows that it can be done and it will be done."
-Chris Paine | Director, Who Killed the Electric Car

It takes much much less cost to run an electric car per km.And tesla model s car is heavy and Strong!Safe,with 8 airbags,all modern safety systemms like ABS,8Airbags,Traction control,ESP!Its not like the fancy electric cars like REVA which can't pass safety norms/standards neither can run more than 80 Kms. For a 3 hour charging time!

Why gravity engine is important is because Zero Emission solely lies on the source of electricity.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/

[Unbalanced]

@Aman

This forum is devoted to rediscovering Bessler's mechanism. There are many, more appropriate forums on the web to discuss Tesla Motors Model S. Forums where you will find people with open arms that will embrace a discussion such as this.

If you pose this question over on the "Off Topic" forum, you may get a discussion going but I believe that you will find that the majority of this bunch are fairly single-mindedly focused, as am I.

Please, if you want to protect any shred of credibility here, refrain from stating things like "my real invention." Yes your invention may be real. Yes you may have the encouragement of your professors. Yes you may have something on paper that looks good to you. Yes you may have found something that is so inexplicable that you need to invent new terminology to describe it such as "impulsive energy" but if it is not a thing of substance (a working devise) it is best for you to describe it in terms that are true such as "my concept" "my theory" etc.

I only bother stating this for your own good, I mean no disrespect or malice.

I apologize to the forum at large. Sometimes I get caught up or bored and over-post.