What should someone do with a solution?

[Jon J Hutton]

Good advice guys,

The idea to patent on method or principal would be the way to go, but if you discovered a new principal, method, or phenomenon that caused perpetual motion then you may have a problem getting caught up in an eternal revisions with the examiners.......then where do you stand. If you were a madam currie but horrible in math and wanted a patent based on method or principal on why this greenish rock could make a watch hand glow forever, but couldn't explain why.....no patent? You could bring in others who could help but then try to keep a lid on them would be next to impossible. Once it is built the inventor, if he does not prepare himself ahead of time that "it is a gift to the world", and be content with his contribution, he will spend the rest of his years slowly going mad with all the legal fees spent in trying to protect his invention. I recently talked to the owner of the hunting caps with a cute led built into the rim. He told me that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees in law suits protecting his patent. Now imagine an invention like pm.

Jon

I am not sure what I would do.

[eccentrically1]

Patents aren't given for natural phenomena like radiation.
If perpetual motion were possible, it would be in the same category; if you "discovered" it, it wouldn't be something you could patent.
If you discover what bessler did, and it turned out to be a unique utilization of renewable energy, albeit a weak one, you could patent that.

[Jon J Hutton]

So a patent of method or principal which utilizes gravity or whatever, as its prime mover to turn a wheel is patentable. But if you discover a new phenomonon, or an existing one with a never before seen effect, or effect that was misunderstood which allowed your invention to work, how much of the effect needs to be explained in your application for it to pass the examiners, or do you get the patent of method or principal by simply explaining the mechanics of interaction.

Jon

[Jim Williams]

Hi Ralph:

From The US Patent Office

Class 376 Subclass 914 - NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVES:

This subclass is indented under the class definition. Collection of patents that claim or disclose an uncontrolled nuclear reaction structure, e.g., a bomb.


http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... 914&d=PALL

Note: If one wants to view the images of these patents and doesn't want to download TIFF; go to:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/?locale=en_EP
and enter at "Smart seach" us, plus the patent no. without commas, for example us4000000 for Pat no. 4,000,000
then click on the patent title and then click on "Original Document"
or
go to www.google.com/patents
go to Advance Patent Search
enter 376/914 in Current US Classification
enter desired number of returns
hit Google Search

[eccentrically1]

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a ... ented.html

[eccentrically1]

Basically, only man-made things are patentable.
Does that answer your question?

[Jim Williams]

The law itself:

35 U.S.C. 181Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent.
Whenever publication or disclosure by the publication of an application or by the grant of a patent on an invention in which the Government has a property interest might, in the opinion of the head of the interested Government agency, be detrimental to the national security, the Commissioner of Patents upon being so notified shall order that the invention be kept secret and shall withhold the publication of an application or the grant of a patent therefor under the conditions set forth hereinafter.
Whenever the publication or disclosure of an invention by the publication of an application or by the granting of a patent, in which the Government does not have a property interest, might, in the opinion of the Commissioner of Patents, be detrimental to the national security, he shall make the application for patent in which such invention is disclosed available for inspection to the Atomic Energy Commission, the Secretary of Defense, and the chief officer of any other department or agency of the Government designated (PATENT
LAWS 183
L-45 Rev. 6, Sept. 2007)
by the President as a defense agency of the United States.
Each individual to whom the application is disclosed shall sign a dated acknowledgment thereof, which acknowledgment shall be entered in the file of the application. If, in the opinion of the Atomic Energy Commission, the Secretary of a Defense Department, or the chief officer of another department or agency so designated, the publication or disclosure of the invention by the publication of an application or by the granting of a patent therefor would be detrimental to the national security, the Atomic Energy Commission, the Secretary of a Defense Department, or such other chief officer shall notify the Commissioner of Patents and the Commissioner of Patents shall order that the invention be kept secret and shall withhold the publication of the application or the grant of a patent for such period as the national interest requires, and notify the applicant thereof. Upon proper showing by the head of the department or agency who caused the secrecy order to be issued that the examination of the application might jeopardize the national interest, the Commissioner of Patents shall thereupon maintain the application in a sealed condition and notify the applicant thereof. The owner of an application which has been placed under a secrecy order shall have a right to appeal from the order to the Secretary of Commerce under rules prescribed by him.
An invention shall not be ordered kept secret and the publication of an application or the grant of a patent withheld for a period of more than one year. The Commissioner of Patents shall renew the order at the end thereof, or at the end of any renewal period, for additional periods of one year upon notification by the head of the department or the chief officer of the agency who caused the order to be issued that an affirmative determination has been made that the national interest continues to so require. An order in effect, or issued, during a time when the United States is at war, shall remain in effect for the duration of hostilities and one year following cessation of hostilities. An order in effect, or issued, during a national emergency declared by the President shall remain in effect for the duration of the national emergency and six months thereafter. The Commissioner of Patents may rescind any order upon notification by the heads of the departments and the chief officers of the agencies who caused the order to be issued that the publication or disclosure of the invention is no longer deemed detrimental to the national security.
(Amended Nov. 29, 1999, Public Law 106-113, sec. 1000(a)(9), 113 Stat. 1501A-566, 582 (S. 1948 secs. 4507(7) and 4732(a)(10)(B)).)

Aso to note:

(c) When the national application is found to be in condition for allowance except for the secrecy order the applicant and the agency which caused the secrecy order to be issued will be notified. This notice (which is not a notice of allowance under § 1.311 of this chapter) does not require reply by the applicant and places the national application in a condition of suspension until the secrecy order is removed. When the secrecy order is removed the Patent and Trademark Office will issue a notice of allowance under § 1.311 of this chapter, or take such other action as may then be warranted.

[Fletcher]

When all said & done, your design will have one unique mechanical element, a distilled 'essence' of what allows it to do what it does - this is likely part of the Prime Mover mechanics & application thereof - this epiphany in mechanical form will likely allow many & varied subsystems i.e. mechanical downstream Prime Mover dependent systems, to function in a self sustaining format.

Just like the Wright Bros. you wouldn't patent heavier than air flight that you achieved but the essence [or method] of controlled heavier than air flight - in their case the wing warping technology & application - therefore any heavier than air flight machine that used their control method was captured by their patents, regardless of configurations, number of wings, power plants etc - of course, later ailerons where devised by the French that got around their patents but it also bought the Wright's time to develop & plan.

You can help yourself by putting time & effort into simplifying your designs & clearly identifying that distilled essence [the method the Prime Mover uses & its generic application] that makes all OOB, reset for Centrifically driven machines, impact 'hammer' wheels etc, a physical reality & not an impossibility.

Then spend some time designing variants of the carts to put behind the horse that you have patented to pull you carts - you won't be able to cover all possibilities or complexities but you will have enough down on paper to cause any would be usurper of your technology to have doubts & negotiate with you as the path of least resistance & least cost before commercializing their own designs, that you may already have fleshed out [with technological advancements, redundancy & reliability] in the bottom draw.

But first, identify the Prime Mover method & application, prove it works by simple irrefutable experiment, by either allowing reset of system Potential Energy per cycle or the ability to increase a systems Potential Energy from start conditions - in short, Energy Out is greater than apparent Energy In.

If you are unable to identify the one method or application of mechanical input that is the crux of why your theoretical demonstrations should work for either an apparent PPM in whole, or a Prime Mover application that can raise Potential, or a reset mechanism that allows restoration of Potential, then you are still designing the cart & haven't grasped the concept that the cart needs 'the patentable method' to pull it along, IMO.

[Mark]

Well said, Fletcher. [as usual]

I couldn't agree more.

[KAS]

If the invention worked only utilising gravity force, Couldn't the successful inventor just patent Gravity power?

After all, there are no gravity powered systems in existence to date.

If it was proved by physical demonstration, how could anyone argue with the concept?

Kas

[pstroud]

There have been free energy devices around for hundreds of years and even in very recent times. Anyone that has been in this field and done extensive research know of the global government supresses of free energy technology (water, magnets, gravity, pulse, scalar, etc).

We do not have free energy publically available today because inventors try to get properly and personally compensated for their inventions. They do deserve compensation for their years of work. However, going for a patent is like jumping up and down yelling "please supress me too". The illuminati are not ready for its release yet because it eliminates a key leverage point for their world domination.

However, I do believe that "one man" can change the entire world if he is unselfish and has faith. The only way to really change the world is to freely give away / share the free energy device knowledge with the entire world. This must be done with wide spread and quick distribution & mailing of example test models, specifications, videos, pictures, etc.
The average person must be able to replicate the device at their home. It must be distributed quickly across the entire globe and create a movement so quickly that supression attemnpts will be futile.

God will provide a just compensation to the inventor.

Preston

[path_finder]

Dear Preston,

However, I do believe that "one man" can change the entire world if he is unselfish and has faith. The only way to really change the world is to freely give away / share the free energy device knowledge with the entire world. This must be done with wide spread and quick distribution & mailing of example test models, specifications, videos, pictures, etc.
The average person must be able to replicate the device at their home. It must be distributed quickly across the entire globe and create a movement so quickly that supression attempts will be futile.

Exactly my personal opinion.

[Andyb]

Preston i totally agree with you as well,there is lots of evidence of people being paid for ther art over the internet whilst resisting the need for copyright ect just having faith in the public and faith in your self,what you have said Preston is the highest truth in mt eyes and has helped me to share more of my ideas more openley lol Andy ps i was personally involved in Stanley meyers wfc and have had contact with searle the seg both have been threatened Stan was murdered in my opinion but not before sharing with various people that his life was under theat unless he stopped all work until 2022 /2025 aparetly all top government officials are aware of this and i have found some lower level members aware as well, really Preston i think we should find a way to work together to do just as you have said,sorry about the punctuation here it never was my strong point.Andyb

[Dwylbtzle]

There have been free energy devices around for hundreds of years and even in very recent times. Anyone that has been in this field and done extensive research know of the global government supresses of free energy technology (water, magnets, gravity, pulse, scalar, etc).

We do not have free energy publically available today because inventors try to get properly and personally compensated for their inventions. They do deserve compensation for their years of work. However, going for a patent is like jumping up and down yelling "please supress me too". The illuminati are not ready for its release yet because it eliminates a key leverage point for their world domination.

However, I do believe that "one man" can change the entire world if he is unselfish and has faith. The only way to really change the world is to freely give away / share the free energy device knowledge with the entire world. This must be done with wide spread and quick distribution & mailing of example test models, specifications, videos, pictures, etc.
The average person must be able to replicate the device at their home. It must be distributed quickly across the entire globe and create a movement so quickly that supression attemnpts will be futile.

God will provide a just compensation to the inventor.

Preston

amen
i see two of His quotes at play in this matter:
"I wisdom dwell with prudence and findeth out knowledge of witty inventions"
and:
"Cast your bread upon the waters and after many days it shall return unto you"

[Aman]

Anything that do not violate laws of Thermodyanamics is patentable.

Only thing is you need to prove that your device converts Gravitational energy into Electrical energy,which is Offcoarse in line with the law of energy conservation which do not deny viability of converting one form of energy into other form.

If you can prove this,nobody will deny a patent to you unless politics is involved.

My dear friends,
I want to know,why most people have misunderstanding that Gravity engine create more output than input.
No,that's not the correct strategy.

Gravity wheels are energy converters and not new energy makers.

Let me know what you think on my thinking.