Mayday! Mayday!!!

[Aman]

Hi,raj,the last diagram seems to be interesting,it uses concept of torque shifting.I will consider it for further research and development.The concept here is to shift the balls towards inside by centrifugal force when heavy balls act downwards due to gravity.It requires an initial start,just like the key with which we start an IC engine.
Once heavy balls shift inside,maximum torque acts from right side towards left side and minimum torque from left to right.Thus produces an effective resultant torque from right to left.This is interesting and can work after some well thought Fine Tunning of design.Please everyone consider this for further research.The concept still needs a finetunning but it may work after some finetunning/design modification which will make it compatable with known laws of physics.

Torque=force * displacement.
Simply force is not enough to move a rotary fan.It also requires a torque,that is a proper distance from the aim of force application to the application point.

Really this Gravity wheel is a stunner.(But diagram is not very clear/neat to undertand with ease/ properly).

[AB Hammer]

Hello everybody!

This gravity wheel design could be a stunner!...

See drawing below.

What do you make of it?
Can you guess the workings?

Lets have some comments.

Raj

Raj

From a glance it does catch someones eye, but you only have 4 weight space distances advantage to lift a weight at 6:00 to lift 4 weight spaces. At the 6:00 position is at its strongest point in the action of a wheel so you would need almost 8 weight space advantage to get the weight at 6:00 to lift. The old story. "Ben there, done that". The same problem with gears. I have worked extensively with ideas of hanging weights over the last few years. But a good attempt. Now how far can you take it from here?

[raj]

Thank you Aman and A B Hammer.

It's not easy to guess the mechanics involved in the gravity wheel by looking at the drawing alone.

Clues:
A drum wheel, A grinding wheel (like in the old days for grinding wheat) inside, second class levers inside, pegs/pulleys, and weights, each hanging on two strings.

Can you get the picture now?

Raj

[rlortie]

Yes raj, I get the picture and I know where the credits go for your description. Also, all I have to do is enter my shop to see a built facsimile.

Ralph

[raj]

Hello Ralph!
Thank you.

I must confess that I don't get what you mean by your comment.

Anyhow, it's a question of getting a good picture of the mechanics in the gravity wheel design I am proposing.

Just for that reason, I am attaching here a description and a new drawing of the mechanics in the design.

I sincerely hope this should give you all, a better understanding of my gravity wheel design.

What do you make of it now?

Raj

[raj]

Terribly sorry!

This is the new drawing...

Raj

[raj]

Hello Folks!
I wish all Good Day or Good Night!
In Mauritius, it's exaxtly 9.00 pm

And Exactly three months ago, day to day, I started this thread.
But half way through, it has been hijack to other 'swinging weights' topic, and I got sidetract too from my original idea I was trying to present on this thread.

So kindly go back to where my original idea and drawings were presented and follow it from there to the drawings below.

I feel, at least one forum member, will be surprised to see the drawings below. He has sent me a private message of how his design MUST run, and categorically tell me my design in here won't work. In so doing, he let slip one vital imformation about the length of a lever in his design which by shear coincidence, is exactly like the lever in my design in here .

So folks, do not the drawings below ring a bell?

Raj

[Aman]

Kinda reminds me of this (attached .gif).

I think this might be Pathfinder's drawing.

I think in this diagram,the balls are trying to give more torque from right to left giving it rotation,by using the concept of weight-torque shifting.This may work but it's a bit complicated.Coreect me if I am wrong.

[raj]

I am afraid these drawings are completely wrong!!!

Raj

[charly2]

Not wrong at all, the idea in fact is very clever, here is a simulation of your wheel, no air resistance, metric system.
You will see how the com or cog is moving far to the rigth and apparently it is overbalanced but there are counter forces at the reset moment that kill the ob.
Did I missed something?
Very clever indeed.

[raj]

Hello Folks!
Thanks Charly2!

I have now corrected my drawings.
See next drawings below.

Here are some precisions on the drawings:

1. The drawings are of the following scale:
Radius of larger (driving) wheel = 4 units
Length of arms on larger wheel = 4 units
Radius of smaller wheel = 2 units
Length of arms on smaller wheel = 2.5 units
2. Smaller wheel is geared with larger wheel, and is racheted to turn clockwise. (Bessler has used racheted wheel on MT15)
3. Weights get hooked to/rest on axle of larger wheel on ascending side.

Do you think all this make any difference?

Raj

[Aman]

Two balls turns downwards due to gravity.So again you are increasing the torque from right to left.But not able to understand the last 4th and 5th step.Can some one clarify the last two steps.

[path_finder]

Dear Raj,
Congratulations.
Your last design seems to be in accordance with almost all clues of the Bessler wheel.
I judged it excellent and decided to look further what happens: hereafter is an animation where some minor changes have been applied, in particular the 'impulse'.
If the principle is good, there is an important point to solve: what kind of mechanism will be able to synchronize the parts, and with the good rotation speed?
IMHO this is the reason why you send a request for help.
The common share of the data is the only way to close our quest.
I have an idea about, and will try to give very soon more information.
In any case many thanks for sharing your discoveries.

Dear charly2,
Once again the confidence in the crystal ball will not replace the experience accumulated building after building.
IMHO the WMD2 software is one of the major reason why we did not found the solution until now.

[path_finder]

In relation with the previous animation:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 9888#89888

Unfortunately a stroboscopic effect damages the animation above.
In fact the pin where are linked the two double arms, is fixed to the central wheel (in yellow and white).
This wheel rotates at a speed twice the rotation speed of the main wheel, this is one of the rules we must assume.

[Aman]

To path Finder,devotee,

!!!Awesome concept.Only one Question:How are we going to have a temporary attachment and detaching pin at the centre.I mean whats the mechanism which can be used to hold the heavy wheel temporary and detach it from the pin at the centre of white and yellow wheel.
Other than this,thumbs Up!You did it.

Probably a simple mechanism can be used for this.
Heartily Congratulations,raj!!!
My invention may be more complex but I am accepting the truth that this wheel in the animation is more efficient and faster than mine!
Mine works but slower than that in animation.