Mayday! Mayday!!!

[path_finder]

Dear Aman,

How are we going to have a temporary attachment and detaching pin at the centre

I guess you did NOT observe carefully the high pertinence of this design.
nothing else is needed for keeping the weight at the center of the wheel:
it is still remaining at the same place under the support of the two arms during the full rotation.

edited:
when the collision occurs the kinetic energy of the upward incoming weight is transfered to the weight previously located at the center.
In the same time the incoming weight is stopped at the center of the wheel and will be remaining at the same place, waiting on the next collision (like for the Newton cradle)

[Aman]

I understood that there is an impulse kinetic energy transfer,but it's still not clear how the weight can be stopped at fixed at centre untill again collision occurs.
This is not a big problem but a machenism is needed to be made for holding the alternate weights at centre temporally for each cycle.

How can two links here hold it in place when these links are still free to move with a roller or rotating type joint.

Rest of the concept is very clear and intelligent!
Sorry if I am wrong,but I might be confussed.

If I get the correct answer to this,I would say,bessler wheel mystery solved.Then we can start using this to power our houses.

[savoniuspiral]

The action looks very similar to using a spiral, e.g. MT 43 apart from the weight hanging from above, and the need for gears for the difference in the inner and outer wheel rpm.
having built and tested spiral systems the result would probably be the same.
though when you think about it, it is a spiral with legs.

To test the design, perhaps a type of system using pegs on each side of the weight which collide into a type of C guide in the center.

The pegs can only move in one direction, that flick out on each side of the weights due to being hinged and using very light springs, these pegs would stop the incoming weight from exiting the center position,
but allows the exiting weight to exit the center position as the pegs of the exiting weight is now 180 degrees from the entry position allowing the pegs to move back which allows the pegs to move past the central stop.

[path_finder]

Dear savoniuspiral,
No gears are needed.
Open the door of your microwave oven and look at the glass plate.
The rotation speed of the plate is twice the rotation speed of the trolley (the circle with three rollers).
The same process can be used in a vertical plane.

[daanopperman]

path_finder ,
It would be great if you could fit some part of a bar fridge in there to

[raj]

A big hello to everybody!

Thanks Aman!

Thanks a lot Path_Finder.
1. For your voluntary simulation of my gravity wheel design.
That's real help.
2. For your comment on gears requirement.

I think your simulation reflects exactly how I have imagined my gravity wheel to work.

The collision, KE transfer happens just slightly before the 12 o'clock position.

Raj

[raj]

Hello everybody!

I am staking my life's savings for a build.

Raj

[raj]

Hi Folks!

Going through different topics on here this morming, I just got reminded that the coming 6th of June, means something special for all Besslerwheel.com forum members.

My gravity wheel design is showing some promise...

So I am making a special plea for help to one or two dedicated experienced Gravity wheel builders here to join me on an MOU agreement for mutual benefits, to take my Gravity Wheel Design from here forward (build) before the 6th June deadline.

Should nobody get interested in joining me, it will hard, but I'll go it alone.

My designs are well protected.

Raj

[path_finder]

Dear raj,

My designs are well protected

A request for a patent is easy.
The hunt of the counterfactors is much more difficult and expensive.
Do you have the millions of dollars to do that?
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 0448#80448

Anybody will make some changes and/or improve your original patent, so allowed to engage a new request.

How many people in this forum, listening a MP3 music piece, does pay a royalty to Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft, the owner of the patent?

[Aman]

Dear raj,although my college may take up patenting for me,I decide to know more about patents my self.Hence it would be better if you or some one can email me more details on amansanat@gmail.com

Since you are experienced in patenting,just let me know how to do international patent and what care should be taken while applying for patent.Although my college may help me in patenting,I would like to know more details.

[raj]

Dear Path_Finder,
How right you are.

Patents are normally applied for getting rights for commercial purposes.

But for me, a patent application is the only means I know of, that puts an inventor officially on worldwide records as originator on an IDEA/device/discovery.
Whether you get a patent granted or not, the worldwide records of you as inventor of that thing remains, and will remain for as long as records are kept.

By all that's sacred, this is what I will do: Give it freely to the world. And I can only give something away when I OWN it and I can show that I own it.
Patenting is the only undisputed way that I can prove that I am the original owner of the concept/discovery.

And since it does cost a penny to make a patent application, how easy it is for me to put my ideas on official worldwide records.

Raj

[savoniuspiral]

path finder,
Rollers are great when used on a device where timing is not an issue.
increasing friction by using wider rollers causes more problems with friction/ wear and tear due to a difference of speed from the inner to outer diameter of the rollers.
using a slightly tapered roller and tapered track on the wheel discs would sort the problem, though much more difficult to build, and still does not solve the problem with friction.
tried a similar approach using differential spider gears ( instead of rollers) with 1 of the sun gears fixed and stationary.
using these would stop the slippage problem, as well as the extra friction involved to stop rollers from slipping in the first place.

a basic gear system would be much more cheaper than the spider gears for testing, depending if one has the machinery in the first place, mainly a lathe.
the gears can be cheaply made by laser cutting.
have previously built a device using laser cut gears for the purpose of testing a system with a difference of RPM, the friction was minimal.

The differential spider gears make for a simple system, though may need complicated modifications to make it compatible for the design.

Raj
If you lived nearby i would borrow you a build which is very similar, basically only needs the linkage arms/weights to test the design.
if i had the time i could modify and test the system, though a bit of a problem at the moment due to waiting for a larger lathe.

unsure if there is an actual advantage in the system since it is very similar to a spiral, and having tested if there is any advantage, highly doubt that the design will work.
The difference from your design to a spiral design like MT43 is that your design may have less friction compared to rollers running on a spiral track due to using linkages.
though your design has friction due to either gears or rollers, if using rollers for the gear ratio there would probably be more friction than using weighted rollers running on the spiral track, if friction was not an issue, there would be a minor gain which in reality would be useless to perform work.
It was only possible to achieve this little gain by using weighted rollers on the spiral track, due to a clever trick.
it would be impossible to perform the same trick when using linkages.

Before wasting your savings on a build/patent, calculate the weight difference and don't forget to take into account the 2:1 gear ratio, as well as the forces involved due to the weights being supported between 2 linkages.

[raj]

Hello again!

In fact I have already given my ideas to the world by posting them in here, giving details and drawings of each one.

Should Besslerwheel.com site close down for any reason, patent applications records will be there to prove that I was the originator of those ideas.

And if those ideas are contrary to the Scientific World held belief, it is that crucial for recording just in case it is one in many trillions chance of being a working idea/device/discovery.

I am 67 years old, and its not money that I am after. It just an attempt to leave something behind when I am gone.

Raj

[raj]

I am working on PM ideas since the 1970's continuously.
Mostly as a good addicted pastime.

For the first I am happy with a design.

It will be a shame not to try a proper prototype. As I do not have the skills and equipment to build a proptotype, I have to pay for having the prototype.
I think it is worthwhile to spend my money on a device testing project.
I am thinking of even going to a light engineering/prototypes building firm in UK for the built.
Just an old age gamble. I know what I'll lose. Difficult to know what I may gain.

Raj

[path_finder]

Dear raj,

Should Besslerwheel.com site close down for any reason

I have recorded everything from the besslerwheel.com web site since 2005 (I suppose to be not alone to do that).
In that worst case, I will be able to replicate this site and/or give a copy to anyone willing restoring the data, with the priority to Scott for sure.

I understand your wish to identify the invention by a patent, even if you don't need money coming from it later.
I agree it's the only real reason if you want to follow the GNU Open Source procedure. In any other case it's just a waste of money.
Nevertheless today at your level you can only patent a theorical mechanism but not a full industrial assembly. All the known linkages (Watt, Cardan, Chebytchev, Oldham, Peaucellier, Sarrus, Walschaert, etc) are free now, and can be integrated inside an engine, but cannot be patented anymore.