What inspired Bessler

[Trev]

What was that translation - "As resplendent as a peacocks tail"...

[Ken]

Bessler copied the solar system.

Killemaces, You are correct, you can find the solution by looking at the MT drawings and reading the clues.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Maschinen Tractate
" Further demonstrations regarding the possibility and impossibility of perpetual motion


NB. May 1, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them. "


- Johann Bessler, cover page of Maschinen Tractate

Its what it does not say here that is a clue, it does not say you will find his wheel here, just a working wheel, this may mean he him self was looking at different wheels as well, the MTs may have been on going studys for him self to find a better wheel!

Edit, Bessler did not seem like the teaching caring type of person to me so he my of used the MT’s to ridicule there designers, and us when it come to that, who knows he did not give away any secrets just a web of distractions! Any way its up to us to find our own wheels, you can never know if it was the same as his!

[raj]

Hello Trevor!
I agree 100% with your views.

We have to find our OWN wheel! (if there is one?)

Raj

[Ken]

Bessler wanted money to build a school to teach what he had discovered. To say he wasn't a teaching type would not make sense.

A movement can be found by looking at the MT drawings and reading the clues.

I would have to say when someone finds this, it is the same thing Bessler found. To say it isn't the same thing he found while a person is looking at his drawings would be insincere at best.

There is more than one way to build it, but the fundamentals stay the same.

If you deviate from the fundamentals the movement is lost.

All the available clues are not correct. Everything Bessler said was 100% true. However, the witnesses are not always correct. John Collins is correct, Count Karls account is completely wrong, or fabricated.

The answer is right in front of you.

[jim_mich]

I was not aware of any "account" by Count Karl, except for the statement that the mechanism was simple and the fictitious account written by Elden Park.

[eccentrically1]

He was inspired by windmills, boats, pump organs and jackspits.
He worked on organs; said something to the effect that this work had something to do with his wheels; he worked on a windmill after giving up on his PM wheels, and had plans for a rescue sail boat and a fountain.
The common thing I see is moving air. Maybe the solution is in the drawings that have bellows or wing-like parts.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,
Does anyone here know which MT drawing was Bessler’s own designs and which one’s was other peoples designs?

Getting back to the school when people know how Bessler’s wheel worked then a lesson of 1hour would be all it would take to understand the wheels workings, unless you wanted to improve his wheel, and Bessler may have wanted to do that for him self! The only thing the MT drawings would have been is a one hour history lesson and the school a museum ! if you have been building wheel for as long as I have then you end up building most of the MT drawings anyway as they are what you learn by your own work, I was shocked when I found them (thanks Bill ) to see so many people going over the same ground hundred of years ago, to this day most people do not see where the real work is being done in these designs, and when told still would not believe you, as soon as a working wheel is produced people will know and will not take them long to understand it, 10 minutes max.

If he had sold his wheel then I think he would have walked away with a smile on his face, it’s a shame the steam engine was so powerful and cheap in comparison, as he got older he would not have needed so much money, he should have dropped his price and lived the good life for his last days, the whole story is sad, and without a working wheel in sight after 300 years it is just that, a story all be it a good one!!!

Regards Trevor

[Ken]

The movement can be understood in one minute, not ten.

When you find it, it will be a palm of the hand to the forehead, and an exclamation of DUH!

Then you will laugh.

Then you might do what I did, try to share it. Be prepared for ridicule if you go this route. I was unprepared.

You can build every wheel in the MT drawings and never find the movement Bessler spoke of. It is by combining parts of certain drawings and eliminating other parts that the solution can be seen.

The clues when compared to the drawings can help to see what Bessler was describing.

Its still staring right at you.

I do not feel I found anything, I feel God showed me what He showed Bessler. For those reading between the lines.

[eccentrically1]

Hi all,
Does anyone here know which MT drawing was Bessler’s own designs and which one’s was other peoples designs?

That's a nearly impossible question to answer.
Does it really matter which ones were original and which were not?

[ruggerodk]

He was inspired by windmills, boats, pump organs and jackspits.
He worked on organs; said something to the effect that this work had something to do with his wheels; he worked on a windmill after giving up on his PM wheels, and had plans for a rescue sail boat and a fountain.
The common thing I see is moving air. Maybe the solution is in the drawings that have bellows or wing-like parts.

...and air rifles.

I agree with you Eccentrically: There are a lot related to air in the MT drawings.
And perhaps, some of the drawings which we assume to be images of water, are in fact a very common way for illustrators to visualize air.

ruggero ;-)

[Ken]

There are no bellows.

[eccentrically1]

There could be. If it's in MT, there is a possibility.

[Ken]

There are no bellows needed.

[eccentrically1]

There are no weights needed, either.