Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy, I don't have it right. However, I like the term mechanical alternator. It's the weights that are alternating,(not the force), first from one side, then to the other and then back. Have to think about it some more.

Maybe it's like this: The mechanical alternator / wheel, converts a direct force / gravity to rotary motion----------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Waltcy, I don't have it right. However, I like the term mechanical alternator. It's the weights that are alternating,(not the force), first from one side, then to the other and then back. Have to think about it some more---------------------------Sam

The hardest design problem has been managing the counter torques of The Fletcher. That has been a real bitch, but I think I've solved it. The answer is in managing the 3rd derivative power to balance the launching.

They are forces, Sam. How else can one explain the effects of counter torques? The medium those ghosts travel is the very structure of the contraption. They (the forces) take the path of least resistance.

If one splits that force, then sends one in one direction & the other opposite yet equal, they can collide that counter torque & neutralize it.

A mechanical CERN. My ideas are out there.

[WaltzCee]

Think about the anvil on the toy page, Sam. If the anvil is at the radius or 1/2 that power point, the expanding/collapsing anvil could pump the angular velocity of the wheel. Like the ice skatter

MV had an entire thread on the idea. I think it could be pulsed at some resonate frequency, like this
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That was a mechanism I was spinning at about 300 rpm, but it still was moving, c.f. didn't pin it to the wall.

If I pulsed the anvil at that frequency, I think it might help drive the wheel with the counter torque. Creating energy? Shucks, I blush at the thought. That's more my client's purvue.

[WaltzCee]

I look at it more like this. If I can take a counter torque and differentiate it in half, then send them in opposite paths, they might be causing a mini bang of power that might be recreated, then exploited.

[WaltzCee]

If 2 masses are spun as a result of the collision of the integrated counter torques, their c.f. could be used to load springs, then when needed released causing a powerful contraction.

Just thinking out loud.

[WaltzCee]

The Fletcher® subroutine is parametric, defined by its optimal moment of firing. Every 1/2 cycle, it needs to rest.

While it's firing, it might pulse some third derivative power into the GPE. A rising GPE lifts all boats.

The design phase is coming to a close. I've sharpened my pencil twice. I'll take this draft and ink a drawing.

• an intelligently designed analogue computer, semi-sentient, with a capacity to do work.

just thinking out loud . .. .. .

[WaltzCee]

Although getting the idea to paper only required two pencil sharpenngs, I killed a lot of brain cells in the process.

I'm putting the last two into the octagon. 2 go in, only one walks out !

This should be good.

[WaltzCee]

The Fletcher® subroutine is parametric, defined by its optimal moment of firing. Every 1/2 cycle, it needs to rest.

While it's firing, it might pulse some third derivative power into the GPE. A rising GPE lifts all boats.


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I think the upper rpm limit is 292 rpm, or something resonate. Georg spoke often about frequency, but none took him seriously.

Wonder if it's true, but the wheel has to have a clock, has to know what time it is.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Waltcy,
I don't have a clue what you are talking about but, it sounds good. You should try your ideas. No, it wouldn't need a clock why would it------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

A new "Idea",
I want to try a 'toggle' link to push / slide a weight out at 3:00 and draw it back in at the 9:00 position, for CW rotation. The action of the link reverses every 1/2 turn of the wheel, resulting in what could be considered a mechanical alternator,( to drive the wheel). Also, the toggle link is a part of a storks bill, if that means any thing.

As usual, the link(s) will be driven by the heavy discs-----------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

As usual, the link(s) will be driven by the heavy discs-----------------------Sam

Best of luck Sam. You probably have thought about the fact the reaction lags the action.

• Don't discount latency

I'm spending too much time thinking about different principles, not to mention what a principle actually is. Guess I'm waiting on a decision from the stupid smart ones.

Until then I'm going to keep truckin'.

[JUBAT]

A reaction lags the action - hmmm interesting - much like when you wind up clock - a few quick spins of the winding mechanism results in about 8 days of clock operation.

If we shorten up the release of energy to whatever is needed to re-wind the springs - then it's more like a mechanism - say like a lazy tongs - that falls and while it falls, it's tensions a spring, which releases itself into the wheel. The wheel rotates, causing more lazy tongs to fall. One end of the spring hooked to the lazy tongs and the other end to the wheel - but this would result in a counter-torque.

Makes sense though - sudden charge of a spring that releases it's energy over a longer period of time.

finis

[WaltzCee]

https://besslerwheel.com/forum/download ... p?id=17128

Keep that pencil sharpened.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Waltcy,
Right; I'd love to see some new scenery for a change / new territory. However, I'll keep the pencell sharpener well oiled, just in case------------Sam

[JUBAT]

https://besslerwheel.com/forum/download ... p?id=17128

Keep that pencil sharpened.

I thought about it last night and the torque from releasing a spring shan't go into the wheel, but a set of weights. Preloading springs first that cause the weights to move 2nd or later on.

I like the squeezy motion of the lazy tongs...when a weight falls, it causes the side to side width of the lazy tongs to narrow and there is great pulling power there and even pushing power if you rig it differently. I'm wondering if Bessler's encore used a falling lazy tong weight to charge a spring that was hooked to a weight set. Then as the wheel was rotating, the energy in the spring was triggered into releasing and moving a pair of weights.

Even without springs, I wonder if a small falling weight on a lazy tongs has enough power to slide a much heavier weight set nto position to create the imbalance. Due to timing issues, you would have to use one lazy tongs to pull one weight set into position and then for the reset rely on another set of lazy tongs to assist. Basically one LT set pull the weights into the oob position and another set lifts the weights to a balanced position so that no one LT by itself is responsible for moving the oob weights the entire distance.

Plausible...but still requires stage hands to pull on hidden ropes.

Finis