Why don't Perpetual Gravity Wheels Work ?

[broli]

justsomeone you better go play with your friend called fear. You hate me because you don't understand me and you fear me because I'm different than you.

The more you label me without knowing anything about me the more ignorant you get. So if you keep it up maybe scott will add an ignorance scale.

Atleast you made my idiot list too.

[Michael]

You guys are funny (!).

In the past there has been so much talk about the jockey yet no one even has the horse yet!

;)

Thank the gods for the voice of sanity.

[BAR]

Boli I am waiting. Show me proof that I will not be screwed by releasing my knowledge unprotected upon the world of how I believe Bessler's wheel works. If I was wealthy, I would not have a problem. I already gave so many clues of it's function. Ok here is 1 more; Besslers MT60. That drawing of course will not work, but it shows a basic principle of physics that is required in a self regenerative gravitational engine. That is what Bessler is about in his secrets that I believe. He shows real physical principles in his drawings.

[justsomeone]

Broli, I don't hate you.

I just disagree with you.

You were the first to launch the personal attacks against anyone that disagrees with your position.

How about respecting someone's right to patent if they wish.

Don't be so quick to judge someone who would choose the patent route.

Again I don't hate you!

[broli]

BAR at this point there's nothing more to say. Some people here are too old to change their believes.

[BAR]

There are so many promising OPEN SOURCE projects going on but you people think you can become rich out of something that needs licensing to build and only has to be build once? Are you people insane or stupid.

I already gave you a suggestion that would give you a steady income that as you say can pay your bills and taxes but no just ignore it and be greedy in life let's see what you will achieve with that.

Look I AM not too old to change my ways, I am trying to be fair here. So show me a real instance of open source being profitable. Sell me on it with proof, and I will explain here how a self regenerative gravity engine is possible. :)

[ovyyus]

So show me a real instance of open source being profitable. Sell me on it with proof, and I will explain here how a self regenerative gravity engine is possible. :)

Build It. Share It. Profit. Can Open Source Hardware Work?

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/m ... ufacturing

"In a loosely coordinated movement, dozens of hardware inventors around the world have begun to freely publish their specs. There are open source synthesizers, MP3 players, guitar amplifiers, and even high-end voice-over-IP phone routers. You can buy an open source mobile phone to talk on, and a chip company called VIA has just released an open source laptop: Anyone can take its design, fabricate it, and start selling the notebooks..."

[greendoor]

Bar - in all seriousness, this is what I genuinely believe about the Patent system regarding free energy devices. (For practically anything else, I believe the patent system works, but free energy is a special case):

1 - the odds are stacked against you for historical, political, economic & military reasons. A working free energy device is a huge threat to certain powerful organisations & groups. The balance of power would literally shift if free energy becomes available, and some people will stop at nothing to ensure their own interests are protected.
2 - there are already so many free energy patents existing, and I suspect many of these actually work, but the details are suppressed - but as soon as you try to market a free energy device, you will be shut down by powerful legalistic pressures, and these patents will be used to legitimize what is done to you.
3 - if you succeed, you will be opening such a huge can of worms that the stability of world econmics will be threatened. You can expect strange things to happen to you - and bear in mind that the world media sources are already tightly controlled (including Google and practically all news & entertainment channels). The history of free energy inventors is about equivalent with UFO research - the noise level is immense, and you will dissappear into the noise.

For you own personal safety and sanity, it is probably very wise to consider releasing a working model into the public domain very quickly and on such a large scale that the secret cannot be suppressed. This will also ensure that your name is associated with the device, and your fame & notoriety will help to assist your safety. (It's harder to kill somebody when they are the centre of attention - not impossible though). But the pressure on you and your family will be immense - this is probably not a wise move, unless this is your destiny. You may well end up being a martyr for the cause.

IMO - if you have a working design, there is plenty of money to be made by working with local industries to build machines. You would be the guru that everybody could use, because the principles of design are going to be a mystery to most engineers. Years of brainwashing will not fade away overnight - your services will be in demand, and you would have to be fairly stupid not to make a good income from your fame.

The nature of a gravity wheel is that they are going to be heavy, hard-to-ship devices. This means plenty of work for local industries, using local materials. I am already thinking about what sort of materials might be useful - and I think there is plenty of scope for using waste materials that are currently a problem for society. For example: glycol from engine coolant - it's a real disposal problem. But if you need large weights for a large scale gravity wheel, i'm thinking that used engine coolant might be a good choice. Water alone would freeze - and glycol has a heavier density too. This would allow weights to be made from recycled plastic, or existing waste plastic drums/containers. Or landfill materials.

If you established yourself as the Open Source Gravity Wheel Guru - be assured, you will have fame, a lifestyle and income, and perhaps more safety than the typical lone inventor who gets mired down with legal & business investor problems.

Open Source cuts out a lot of problems. We live in a society that wants and expects free stuff. Look at Google for example - they made the best web search engine by making it free to all. Once you have the attention of the world, fame & fortune are a byproduct.

Alternatively - you can keep the ideas to yourself, maybe power your home or a small closed community. Maybe let the secret die with you.

I tend to think that certain ideas are suppressed for certain times in history, and when that time arrives, very often multiple inventors at different parts of the world come up with the same idea at the same time. (The idea of spiritual forces controlling destiny are probably too wacky for most physicists to consider, but I notice a lot of religious people get involved in free energy, because they have a wider world view that sees a bigger picture than short term material greed).

I believe this is going to break some time soon, with or without specific individuals.

[pequaide]

Well said Greendoor; get it out there and let the chips fall where they may.

They will be building them in China while we are fighting over patents, this is a world wide web remember. And I have already shown them how to do it.

Good insight greendoor.

[georgexbailey]

Hmm..After pondering this subject for years....I am not certain of anything... but..which is more plausable:

a.) Free energy is everywhere and has been discovered by many. But there is a worldwide conspiracy and it has been suppressed.
b.) Free energy is possible but it is so difficult that no one is able to produce a simple concept that can be replicated by many.

I tend to lean toward B. If Free energy is everywhere, then it would probably be discovered by hundreds worldwide. What are the odds that all of these individuals have been knocked off by the MIB? I really have a hard time believing that. In my opinion, the only technology that I currently see as extremely remarkable is Thane Heins' Perepiteia Generator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMbWzNu ... annel_page. He has been releasing youtube videos that basically prove free energy and he hasn't disappeared.

I am really not trying to start a big argument as I respect everyone's opinion. And to be honest, I don't claim to know the truth. Just looking from a purely common sense point of view, it seems that a worldwide conspiracy is much more difficult to believe.

George

edit: I have designed several gravity wheels that worked 100%. Until I built them and found that they did not work at all. So, anything on paper to me is only worth discussion and nothing more. If I were to build a working model then I would file a provisional patent and release the information on the internet immediately. Kinda like Mondrasek did on the OU forum. He messed up because he filed the patent before he built the device (and found out that it would not work afterall).

[Jim Williams]

I would suggest it is importent to remember in terms of US patents, at least, is that they are published into public knowlege when issued and all that expires after a maximum of 20 years is the inventor's exclusive right to make, use or sell the invention throughout the US. What is never lost is the public's knowlege and ownership of the invention from the day the patent is granted. Patents are all open source eventually and a good way to have information published for all the world to see regardless.

I relate this because I had a patent granted me in 1965 and it has been in public domain since 1982 or 25+ years. I can still attempt to profit from my own invention as much as everyone, the only difference is now so can anyyone. All inventions are open source already. The knowlege is free and open to anyone always. The right to exclude others expires. An example of open source, the wheel.

[John Collins]

Unless the patent office (in the UK) issue a 'D' notice and it disappears on the shaky grounds of national security.

JC

[Jim Williams]

JC

The US has its same laws also. I wonder if the subject of an actual free energy device has ever come up. It seems to me the US can make a PMM secret if it so decides, but I don't they are allowed to keep secret that they are keeping a secret.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mp ... #usc35s181

[John Collins]

Thanks for the link Jim. Actually I don't see how a free-energy device would be a threat to national security in these times, but you never know how the collective mind of a government agency might react.

JC

[greendoor]

... it seems that a worldwide conspiracy is much more difficult to believe.

I really don't think there is a worldwide conspiracy as such. I believe the world is fragmented into many different power groups that don't really mingle that well. (Bible scholars would be familiar with the feet of iron & clay from Nebuchadnezzar's dream - wide open for interpretation of course).

I would expect that none of these major power groups would pay any attention, until something started to impact on their power & influence in a negative way. Just like lawyers will pretty much leave you alone, until you have serious money, and then you are a sitting target.

Time will tell.