Another claim to a working device...

[murilo]

Hey Frank,

Of all of Renato Ribeiro's patent applications that I've seen, I doubt I've seen the one for this thing. Regarding those patent applications that I have seen, it looked to me like they were derivatives of ideas already floating around in the "free energy" community. So, when I saw the latest pictures this evening, I thought of that, too. ...that it looked like some sort of one sided take-off of Milkovic's stuff.

Dwayne

Guys,
this is the kind of phrase that send us a lot of comfort and some relax to ourselves as participant of perpetuity gang!
A working model is not enough and worthy if it's not original! 8(
TC!
Muliro

[iacob alex]

.....has an "ancestor" (2010) , but as a test related to walking motion , at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4iPDK2xjY

It seems that , the people from Rarenergia.com intend to play reversely...

Al;_ex

[Bill_Mothershead]

A working model is not enough and worthy if it's not original!

Maybe I am getting confused by a language barrier problem here.

To me, for an engineering problem (like this is), a full working
solution is all that matters.

In "art", if someone paints a picture, writes a poem/book/song
that is somewhat like some previous person's work, then I
suppose it matters that it is not "original".

But for us right now, for our purposes, ANY self turning wheel that
generates free energy, is a "good enough" solution...
no matter where the original idea(s) came from.

So it really is OK to "...stand on the shoulders of giants."

[murilo]

Bill,
for sure we do have here a language barrier!
But if needed I can introduce to you a good English course! 8[
BTW, my words are not directed to your - so as mine - way of thinking.
There are 'complicated' guys on this forum, as you may guess, that complain a 100% virgin and original PM marriage. (well, better stop my figurative words. 8)

[iacob alex]

.....of Rarenergia.com , if fair ,when will be finished , can be a soul-stirring play ,something as Theo Larsen's art performance on the sea-side :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtA5kX-Ktg

So ,lets lie in wait for the next spectacular "slow-motiom" development...

Al_ex

[Grimer]

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Two new photos up today. It gets more intriguing than ever.

If you look just under and behind the crane hook there seems to be a heavy cylindrical weight installed. I wondered when they would start to appear.

[iacob alex]

.....can be relevant , if we take a look at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CufN43By79s&lis ... ED71EB86AB

...and there , pay attention (00:19 -00:35) at trajectories of two points.

The problem is that Theo's articulated mechanism has a multitude of points...and Rarenergia.com uses certain pairs of "heavy points" ,so to obtain a working torque difference ,due to gravity unbalance.

The succint , concise , equivalent image ,in my opinion seems to be that of an asymmetric swinging of an inverted penduluminv .

In any "mental picture" , the first idea/image is very , very important !

It's strange and funny : a cumbersome , awkward motion ,but..."self".it seems.

Their problem will be efficacity , but anyway it can be the "first-born "...

Al_ex

[Andyb]

Hi could not help noticing the new framework, the triangle that the new hanging beams attaches too looks as though it is angled up ward slightly this would change its force onto the mec driving the crank shaft possibly i am not really sure it is hard to make sense of ,another idea came along what about the angled bars slopping downwards from the ,main structure what if they had weights rolling up and down in them ,ow i dont know but it certainly is positive to see something going together for a change,excellent.

[eccentrically1]

If you look just under and behind the crane hook there seems to be a heavy cylindrical weight installed. I wondered when they would start to appear.

I believe that is the hub to which the beams are bolted. They started attaching them in the 25th photo.
They have "clarified" what they call it.

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[Grimer]

You're quite right. I was thinking it was a solid lump because of the reflection on the underside but when you look at the other disks is becomes obvious what it is.

I was amused by their clarification because in Portuguese they call it MOTOR but they translate this as ENGINE.

I think what they were trying to emphasise with their clarification is that its output is mechanical, not electrical.

To convince people that it is what they claim they are going to have it performing mechanical work of some kind. If they merely hook it up to an electrical generator everyone is going to cry, fake.

I see the brothers' middle name is Merlin. Appropriate if they have harnessed gravity.

[eccentrically1]

Ha. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
From the new picture, it looks like there is yet another beam to go on.

[zoelra]

Looks like most of the work has been completed. There are only a few things that stand out as I have noted in the attached picture.

[Grimer]

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Keel ... r=1&tidx=1

He appears to be building two. One in Brazil and one in the US.

[Grimer]

Looks like most of the work has been completed. There are only a few things that stand out as I have noted in the attached picture.

I would have expected to see some heavy weights at some point.

[zoelra]

Grimer

Maybe the hanging arms will connect to something with weight or spring tension. If they continue to post photos, I think we will find out very soon.