Quotes and Unquotes

[Senax]

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Somebody speculated , I think it was Wagner , that Bessler took his name
Orphyreus because he identified somehow with Orpheus and his music ...

... or because he identified with the Greek hero went to the underworld.

[Art]

These magnetic guys are persistent !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo

"Self starting Magnet Motor 100% Magnet Powered "

[Senax]

Well you've got to admit it looks impressive.

I've always felt that neodymium magnets were like batteries.

I understand that it takes less energy to grind them up and
re-magnetise than the energy they supply in a magnetic motor.

[Furcurequs]

These magnetic guys are persistent !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo

"Self starting Magnet Motor 100% Magnet Powered "

Here's a link to the pdf of the patent:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 487484.pdf

I'd not seen this one before, but based on the video, it looks to me like the device has some externally powered sections. Anyway, out of curiosity I may look for other info.

[Art]

Well you've got to admit it looks impressive.

I've always felt that neodymium magnets were like batteries.

I understand that it takes less energy to grind them up and
re-magnetise than the energy they supply in a magnetic motor.

"I've always felt that neodymium magnets were like batteries. "

Yes its very tempting to think that and I suspect thats the basis that some claim that permanent magnetic motors will "use up " the magnetic field eventually .

I think though the instances that magnets lose their magnetic field in these attempts is probably more to do with constant hysteresis which in effect is magnetic friction on the carrier atomic configuration which eventually just degrades it .
Its an effect of the magnetic field being "worked" similar to say an aeroplane wing which will eventually end up with metal fatigue in the metal through constant vibration due to the "work " of resisting the air pressure force .

As far as I know there is very little inherent potential energy in magnets so however a permanent magnet is used in producing magnetic motors they are facing the same challenge we have , - "a conservative force " .

Magnets losing their magnetic field is not the main problem IMO ( I'm pretty sure that could be overcome if it is a problem ) .

Their main problem , like ours , is - can it be done ? Can more energy be coaxed from somewhere to give over unity .

And like here , they're tryng hard :) and there seems to be a fair number of them that think they are progressing .

[Art]

These magnetic guys are persistent !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBtxjyD01lo

"Self starting Magnet Motor 100% Magnet Powered "

Here's a link to the pdf of the patent:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 487484.pdf

I'd not seen this one before, but based on the video, it looks to me like the device has some externally powered sections. Anyway, out of curiosity I may look for other info.

Thanks Dwayne ,

Havn't been able to check your link yet , - same problem as before , but I think now I know it's a problem with our 'National Broadband Network ' teething problems .

Our Government , bless their little hearts , are trying to upgrade our connection with the rest of the world and while the intention is good , like all mega government projects it hasn't been easy sailing .

However my connection over the past 6 months has got a lot better (much more download capacity for the same price ) so I'm not really complaining bitterly , - just have to wait my time to jump on and use my download at the correct time which I think is during off peak times .

Anyway looking forward to reading the patent application and anything else you can dig up later .

[Furcurequs]

Hey Art,

Sorry about your internet problems. I'm still using a noisy DSL line myself, so I can occasionally have some issues, too. I've thought about switching to cable, but for my needs, I'm not sure if it would really be worth the bother or the likely increase in cost.

Anyway, as far as the magnet device you showed, after reading more about it on energeticforum.com, I think it has all the tell-tale signs of just another unworkable device complete with shoddy test procedures and whatnot. There was talk of rather heavy duty motors attached to the thing and poor electrical readings. Here's the link to their discussion:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... motor.html

I do have a couple of potential magnet powered motor designs of my own that, to be honest, I'm rather optimistic about. In all my preliminary tests it appears I'm seeing exactly what I was hoping to see - which could possibly indicate the availability of some excess energy - but I've just not yet finished complete builds that have closed loops so that I can verify this. Neither design will have any external power source attached and so both will have mechanical feedback mechanisms to hopefully give me working motors. ...or possibly not, of course.

You were talking about magnet properties before. In conventional use, due to the large hysteresis of magnetic materials used for permanent magnets, it actually takes energy to demagnetize them. In such hard magnetic materials there is a high resistance to reorienting the magnetic domains of the material and so it is a lossy process that takes energy.

In soft magnetic materials like those used in inductors and transformers, the hysteresis is a lot less and so the magnetic domains can be more easily oriented without as much energy loss in the core material.

If one of my magnetic motor designs were to work, it would be using magnets in a totally unconventional manner in which energy would be coming from the field of the magnets themselves without actually reorienting the material's magnetic domains. IF such a device did work, it would likely mean that the energy was some form of atomic energy, so it would open up whole new areas of exploration and all bets would be off as to how quickly the magnets would "degauss" under such circumstances.

As a very rough analogy, I'm considering the possibility that one can essentially dip into a "static" magnetic field to extract energy from it like one might put a paddle wheel in a stream. If you can extract energy from doing either one, you wouldn't really have to know what keeps the stream flowing or the magnetic field in place - only that there is energy there to be had with the use of a proper mechanism.

...ughh... I really do need to get my butt in gear and get back to working on my builds.

Well, I've been up all night again. I guess I better sign off.

Dwayne

[Art]

"Anyway, as the magnet device you showed, after reading more about it on energeticforum.com, I think it has all the tell-tale signs of just another unworkable device complete with shoddy test procedures and whatnot. There was talk of rather heavy duty motors attached to the thing and poor electrical readings. Here's the link to their discussion:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... motor.html"

Looks like that's about right . Interesting discussion from the guys at energetic forum about it . Same problem as here - solid evidence of something that works is hard to come by .

Whenever something is complicated looking on a Video presentation and it looks like your not getting to see it all or close up clearly enough , with understandable language , then it seems to usually turn out that it's deliberate . Seems there's always something to hide !

It reminds me of how you feel after ordering a complicated piece of equipment and when you get it you find that the box was already opened and it looks like a piece is missing . But the instructions are still there ! . And they say something like "Step 1 to 10 , - assemble the product making sure polarity of battery is correct and keeping out of hands of children . Do not water get wet and clean thoroughly with dry sponge with no liquid ."

Just like what I got once with an "all sales final - special deal " piece of electronic equipment that was supposed to enable me to hook my phone by wi - fi to my car stereo . Every time I come across it in my junk box , where its been for about 5 years , I think " I'm an idiot to keep hanging onto this evidence that I'm an idiot ! " but it's like a Neodymium magnet , - I can't shake it off ! : )

"As a very rough analogy, I'm considering the possibility that one can essentially dip into a "static" magnetic field to extract energy from it like one might put a paddle wheel in a stream. If you can extract energy from doing either one, you wouldn't really have to know what keeps the stream flowing or the magnetic field in place - only that there is energy there to be had with the use of a proper mechanism. "

Yes that would be the ideal , - solid state with few if any moving parts !

Strong static magnetic fields like there are in Neodynium magnets have been around for so few years , pretty well any testing you do on a novel idea will possibly be a first so the chances of seeing something not seen before have got to be pretty good .

I would like to see how a gyroscope made with Neodymiums would react against the Earths magnetic field !

For about the past 8 days , I havn't had a testable idea for the wheel , to the stage I'm starting to feel lonely !.

So you better get a move on , - you maybe having some competition if things don't improve soon ! : )

[Art]

Paul Rulkens

Quote " What is the purpose of thinking ? "


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNGFep6rncY

Why the Majority is always wrong .

[Georg Künstler]

thats the wy to go,

innovation is only possible when thinking out of the box.
Then from the outside you can see what is all in the box.
Change the angle of view and you will see other things which were covered before.

For the drawing of an object this are the invisible edges.

[ME]

Replacing one box for another one.... and the only thing that people focus on is some box-fetish.

You need to know when to think (discover patterns), when not to think (apply them) and then sleep on it (reorganize them)

Unquote:
The purpose of thinking is predicting the future so you can stay calm "in the moment" and have enough time, energy, focus, opportunity and tools to save your gut.

[Art]

I did what this guy recommended , -

- ie " Watch in HD and FullScreen and use a Magnifying Glass "

I can hardly believe what I'm looking at . I think I'm seeing more than he is !

--All I can say is WOW !


Quote " These are Structures ! "

"Must See!! Structures On The Far Side Of The Moon! ~4/3/2019"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX3DddS-Rr8

[DrWhat]

I cant see them. Look like craters to me.

But I wear glasses...

[Art]

I think I need to explain more ! :)

For a number of years I have been following 'Internet ' claims that when some of the photos from the space exploration probes are examined closely that a number of things stand out :-

* "There are many unexplained artifacts showing up "

* "There is evidence that the photos have been tampered and altered in some cases "

* "There are examples of photos being redacted from the record "

* There are sequences of photos not been issued "

* There are eye witness reports by the Astronauts being suppressed "

etc , etc .

Just the kind of stuff that makes you want to know things - WHAT ? - REALLY ?

So since "seeing is believing" (or it used to be once before digital manipulation became the craze ) I spent a fair bit of time looking at 'space probe ' videos.

My opinion after looking at some ' evidence ' offered from a few different sources for the "unexplained artifacts" and "photos being tampered with and altered" was that it's mostly a mixture of fantasy and illusion with a few persistant but not dismissable claims which seem to stand up . Nothing ever seems to be totally right or totally wrong on the internet ! : )

The previous videos of "Mars Anomalies and Beyond " (up until I watched his video above ) seemed to show that he was seeing stuff in the photos that I wasn't seeing for the most part but whatever he was seeing he was consistantly seeing it .

When I watched his "Structures on the Far Side of The Moon " video with the magnifying glass (about 5X ) in hand I realised that he is looking at these images from a perspective of (probably because of constant practice) translating the minute details into 3D images naturally in his mind .

Using the magnifying glass seemed to allow me to be more able to do that (it gives a different effect than just digitally magnifying the image - something I think to do with the depth perception ) .But I think this is what he has a natural ability to see easily , - Most of us couldn't do that unless we had training in reading aerial maps and images .

Since most of the detail in these magnified moon images seem to be highlighted by light reflexions and shadows in multiple shadings of grey and muted colours they would require a fair bit of practice in actually "seeing correctly".

Aerial map reading appears to be a fairly developed skill that requires a lot of practice which most of us don't have an opportunity to get . And if you don't do things a lot , you just don't get good at them .

A good example of how hard it is to see something in plain sight for me was the " Magic Eye " craze of the 1990's .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... mages.html

Example :-

http://www.magiceye.com/faq_example.htm

I was one of the 50 % of people that struggled with these diagrams (from a book given to my daughter as a present by one of my sadistic relatives) for about two weeks before I was able to see the patterns that others informed me were there .

The technique required basically , is one of training the brain to see input to both eyes from a 2D image in 3D .

When my brain finally got it , it was like having a paper bag taken off my head . Really dramatic . Total stand out 3D pattern as plain as day that you had no idea was contained in the image !

I would strongly recommend that anyone not familiar with these images should have a go at them. The effect is just something that an explanation can't do justice to - you need to experience it !

I think this is how "Mars Anomalies" is finding these images . His training and constant practice allows him to see a lot (of what appears patternless to probably 50% of us ) in 3D pretty effortlessly .

And what he is seeing IMO appears to be a game changer .

I don't want to prejudice anybody by saying what I see , but it appears to be what he is seeing 'with knobs on ' ! : )

[ME]

I can''t tell if that video is actually part of some "fun-forum", but I'm afraid this guy acts serious... for the "likes".

Using the magnifying glass seemed to allow me to be more able to do that (it gives a different effect than just digitally magnifying the image - something I think to do with the depth perception

Still looking up-close to your pixels depicting a non-holographic flat picture with the same two eyes as without the magnifying glass.

he was seeing stuff in the photos that I wasn't seeing for the most part but whatever he was seeing he was consistantly seeing it .

That's called "confirmation bias".
Even his first time was.

At least in this case the Earth is not flat, and neither is the Moon. And the Lunar orbits are not supposed to be hoaxed... only the pictures are a bit "washed out".
We could consider that as one positive.

Nevertheless, and despite that guy's trolling, I unquote with "Pareidolia": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ4LOlE3Euo
Note that Cydonia's face also became much uglier after they took a higher resolution picture.