james.lindgard wrote:Is this the same problem that you had with your Executive Officer in the Coast Guard ? You seem to say the same things about me that you said about him.
And didn't you say that the Coast Guard counseled you because of this ?
edited to add; AB Hammer, your own stepson posted that you lied about your accident.
You need to grow some balls and man up.
@All, if AB hammer is allowed to do nothing more than to disrupt my thread, WOW ! I think it's sad that he can keep me from discussing how to build a Bessler wheel when he doesn't trust anyone in this forum.
And it is Bessler's wheel so I don't have to be the person to build it. And in my opinion, AB Hammer wants me to build it because he believes he will be allowed to continue what he is doing now unless he has control of my work.
What he does not understand is that in none of his posts does he express an interest in working with me or is able to discuss engineering. As far as my opinion is concerned, AB Hammer is the modern day version of Wagner and as daxwc posted, Bessler recanted his claims of being successful. AB Hammer IMO is showing why Bessler said he was a fraud. It was better than tolerating an idiot.
You disrupted your string by lying about me knowing I would defend myself.
As for the so called Executive Officer was an E7 enlisted and I was an E4 only 3 steps higher than I and not in the same field which of SS, he was not qualified to run and change standing order that had to be obeyed.
"Our education can be the limitation to our imagination, and our dreams"
I may try to incorporate Mt 83 into my build. He shows the scissors above the pump. What this allows for is the bellow opening outside of the wheel.
For my build, I am having the bellow extend outward. What scissors allow for is a small movement opening the bellows. For the average enthusiast, this won't matter. For someone who wants to build a faster wheel, it will.
I mentioned this last part because besslerwheel.com has more than one type of person in here. It's possible I might be the only person who has such an interest in Bessler's engineering. If so, for those who could care less about the lift and duration of a cam in a 327, 454 or what crank shaft they use, it's not personal. After all, a 396 and all small block Chevy motors are internally balanced while a 454 is externally balanced. does it matter ? It depends. If you want a 383 small block Chevy motor and not a 383 Hemi, it matters.
Of course, with Hemis, it's their heads that made them Hemis. They are different than your standard non flat head heads. Kind of like Chevy having bow tie heads. There are things that matter to someone who is into cars.
With Bessler, his mechanics might only matter to a few people. And if you want to know why a Big Block 396 is different than a Big Block 454, a 396 is internally balanced while a 454 is externally balanced. This means that a Big Block 396 uses the same flywheel as any small block Chevy motor. This is because it's ring gear is not offset which is what a 454 requires.
@All,
I have applied for social security because of my medical issues. Since my colon does not work, I thonk social security will help me out.
I will not be able to build until doctors fix me. When I am ready to work again, I should be able to afford to spend $1,000 on a table saw, a miter saw and a router table. Why this matters is because if my build is considered as a joke by the public, you guys might be to emberrassed to associate yourselves with Bessler. But if I take the time to do a quality build, then you might find yourself telling people your in this forum.
The link is to A Craftsman Legacy. Watch the episode The Clockmaker. How much did Bessler know about making clocks ? I wouldn't know but he would have been familiar with how they work. And with pendulum type clocks, they used an escarpment. The escarpment is something Bessler could have used to control movement of levers in his wheels.
I will build this wheel when healthy. Then at least in the future people will know what a fraud is. After all, Wagner was not a fraud, was he ?
And as for the math behind this design, it takes time to consider. And I guess people don't have the time any more. As for the A.C. Bessler that I would like to have built for A.C., I am hoping that Tommy McDonald of Rough Cut will build it. He is an actual wood worker and is quite good at what he does.
The attached images might help to explain why I like the idea of Bessler having used water. If you're an American, consider 1 lb. @ 15 inches for all 4 weights. If you live elsewhere and use the metric system, then consider 1 kg @ 1 meter which is 9.8 n-m's of torque. With SAE, it's 15 in. lbs. of torque.
When 2 levers drop, rotating 30 degrees, they drop 7 1/2 inches or 50 cm's.
When as a spinning top the weights on the levers rolled towards the axle, they move inward 7 1/2 inches or 50 cm's.
Then when the wheel rotates 90 degrees clockwise, one weight is 7 1/2 inches or 50 cm's below the axle. The other weight is at a 45 degree angle to the northwest. The water in the bellow, it's to the east.
Then when the wheel rotates 30 more degrees clockwise, the weight at the top is 7 1/2 inches or 50 cm's above the axle while the weight at the bottom is 30 degrees past bottom center. And the water in the bellow is 30 degrees below the level of the axle and has 86.6% of it's potential torque available.
With an opposing weight, it might not be so easy. And with the weights on the levers being able to move towards center or away from it, in my opinion, that is what the spinning top is about. and gravity can assist their movement as well.
edited to add; there is a simpler way to do this. what this does is help to show how a weight that shifts on a lever conserves momentum after it performs work.
In case someone might get it, the attached diagram is basically what water and a spinning top allows for. One lever alone could probably work but if it worked with another weight, a lot of work could be done.
edited to add; with the red weight, it's to show how shifting solid weights would differ when compared to filling a bellow with water.
edited to add; with water, the lever would be hitched in front of the bellow. the weight would be able to roll in the lever. And as the other image shows, a part of the lever can turn inward so the weight could roll towards the middle of the wheel.
In this configuration, consider how much leverage the weight has. if the wheel has a diameter of 50 cm's. and the weight can drop 40 cm's, if the bellow opens 7.5 cm's, that is a ratio of 5.3 to 1.
And if the opposing lever works with it, then the amount of work can be at a ratio of about 8 to 1. this is meant to give a basic idea. it's what I've been working towards.
This is almost funny. With a 5:1 leverage, a 1 meter diameter wheel using a 450 gram weight will work easily. If the bellows are 7.5 cm's in diameter and 2 opposing levers are working together, the bellow can be opened to 15 cm's.
Height can be traded for width with the bellows. Although I would say pipes running from one bellow to it's opposing bellow is the proper way.
With Mt 67, it could be that as one bellow opens, it pushes a rod into the opposing bellow which closes it.
I see a doctor on the 15th. Hopefully he'll be quick about things but I have a feeling that this will be left undone until I can do it. I might be the only person who has any experience with this type of wood working.
If anyone is interested in discussing the engineering, it can be discussed. After all, if I am right which I believe I am, then I would think that people who have an interest in perpetual motion or Bessler would find it interesting.
And I do need to wait until I am healthy to build. In the past, I almost cut off the ends of 3 fingers because I was working when I shouldn't have been. And if discussing engineering makes people uncomfortable, then no need for me to post any work in here.
IMO, Bessler built Mt 125 using scissored levers and his 60 rpm wheel. His 60 rpm wheel would be similar to the last drawing that I posted.
With drawing Mt 83, it shows the wheel in the water. What is often over looked is how much work it takes to move a column of water. And if the wheel is filled with water, then the pressure head is the height between the bellow being emptied and the one being filled.
An example of this is if a column of water/pressure head is 28 inches high and has a surface area of 1 cubic inch, then it weighs about 1 lb. And if the average surface area of the bellow is 7 square inches, then it will take about 4 lbs. of force to open the bellow.
And if the bellow opens 3 inches, then that is about 12 ounces of water in the bellow. If 2 weights work together, then the bellow could hold 1 1/2 lbs. or more of water. And that is a gain of at least 50%.
This is because one weight would have moved towards the axle while the opposing weight would have moved away from the axle.
And from what Bessler described, he most likely built a wheel using 8 bellows and 8 levers. This would allow for a bellow every 45 degrees and would always have 2 water filled bellows performing work.
edited to add; Mt 83 does shows scissors operating pumps. It remains to be seen if there is an advantage to be gained using scissors with a tail.
I've decided to simplify my initial build. With Mt 69, it is the same as what I have drawn. The difference is that I converted the bellows to diaphragms.
This operates on a very basic principle. If the column of water weighs 1.5 lbs. or 0.68 kg's and is 40 inches or 1.016 meters tall and has a surface area of 1.73 cubic inches or 11.16 cubic cm's, then 4 times the mass of the water should fill the top bellow.
With the figures I gave, if the largest surface area of the diaphragm is 4 times that of the column of water, then 6 lbs. of force would start dropping the pipe between the diaphragms. And the weight of the pipe can reduce the amount of the weights performing work.
And this allows for normal leveraging to be used. This means that levers do allow for an advantage as some members in here say that's not true. They just haven't taken the time to consider Bessler's drawings and find the motion he was referring to. Bessler did say one was to be found.
And if levers leverage at a 2 to 1 ratio, then 1.5 lbs., the same mass as the column of water will work. And since I think I am the only person who calculates work and torque where Bessler's drawings are concerned.
The 1.5 lbs. is equal to 3 lbs. dropping 3 inches. This is 9 inch lbs. of negative torque/resistance. The weight at 90 degrees to the 2 diaphragms is not counted :-D
It's "in balance".
As such, 21 cubic inches of water (12 ounces) at 20 inches from the axle has 15 inch pounds of torque and 15 inch pounds of torque minus 9 inch pounds of torque equals 6 inch pounds of torque.
Of course, someone will say it can't work because there are rules to perpetual motion even though they have no working wheel or they will say prove it. The 2 types of people that I just mentioned are frauds as far as I am concerned. Anyone can read Scott's quote as to why he has this form, it's to shed light on Bessler's work. The only way to do that in reality is by building which I have done quite a bit of. I have experience no one else in here has.
And before I can work on anything, I need an ileostomy. Until then, I really shouldn't be eating. And does my health matter ? It does. After all, I have worked as much as possible through medical and financial hardship.
Yet have largely been discredited for doing so.
p.s., The difficult part of the build is the diaphragm. It's not allowed to leak.
edited to add; one formerly credible member posted that none of Bessler's drawings could work as drawn. As it turns out, he most likely was wrong.
I think this topic is a good example of someone sharing their work on the forum, even with the few diversions along the way. It's also an example of just how banal James recent critics have become.
ovyyus wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:12 pm
I think this topic is a good example of someone sharing their work on the forum, even with the few diversions along the way. It's also an example of just how banal James recent critics have become.
I will be moving out of the U.S. because Alan Bauldree has been allowed to stalk me. I'll say it's comparable to this situation.
And yet I am handicapped and waltzcee has made fum of my colorectal cancer in a homosexual way. https://www.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/cuap/ ... earch&mh=1
BTW, notice how when jubat quit posting Alan is here to support waltzcee. Alan is most likely all 3. Why he's credible and I'm not.
And Alan, when you sue me for slander your V.A. medical records as well as your U.S. Coast Guard service records will be made
public. And Alan, remember this post of yours?
Try the hell an XO who is an alcoholic (IMO for legal purpose) bent on getting the none drinker's (myself) good conduct medal and all his drinking buddies adding in on the BS spying on me
Stunts like being ordered to give a man CPR that was bloated and in rigamortis, just so he could say I disobeyed and order.
And I'm the "ultimate fraud"? These people are your friends Alan, you guys are good for each other.
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