Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Looks like the toggle will indeed roll the discs backwards, resulting in back torque, as predicted. Onward to the directional bearings. Will they work; who knows--------------------Sam

[johannesbender]

Its good to see someone sticking to his guns , my own design has been going for over a year , i have not given up yet ,i got stuck for 5 months on 2 problems but solved them , now if i could solve the current problem too.

Good luck.

[Sam Peppiatt]

johannesbender,
You should keep trying, it can be solved. If you mean mechanical problems, right; they can be just as difficult as the rest of it. Like this bearing for instance, it has to slide too.

Thanks for the encouragement jb; at least the toggle is working------------------Sam

[johannesbender]

To be accurate it took me 1 year and 1 month actually haha , i think i found a possible solution to my last problem but it produces another problem (that's how it goes for me with this) .

I like the core concept you went for , if it goes wrong you can still try and find another design based on the same concept.

[Sam Peppiatt]

johannesbender
I'm thinking the same thing; why has it taking me so long to use a toggle for shifting the weights. They are absolutely prefect for the requirement. It's been since Xmas, 5 months! You know what I mean? Why so long?

It's almost like my brain is virtually useless-----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

An update,
Today working on the slider assy. The back stop clutch,(one way bearing), has to slide back and forth as the rollers shift around inside of the drum. My contention is; the rollers or discs, should be considered the prime move. I.E., they lift the weights back up and in, with the use of a toggle linkage.
Like the sun on a water wheel. The sun lifts the water back up, then the water turns the wheel. Seams like the sun would be the so called, prime move-----------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

I'll try to explain the wheel once again.

It is made up of only three moving parts. The rollers, a toggle linkage and. a sliding weight. The rollers work the toggle linkage as they shift around inside of the drum. The toggle moves the weights in on the up side and out on the down side, for CW rotation. This produces a smooth continuous motion of the weights. Continuously OOB at 3 & 9 and balanced at 6 & 12.

Hardly a Rub Goldberg piece of sh*t riddled with friction, (if you don't mind me saying so). Maybe some day some one will figure it out---------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Maybe the lights will come on. One can only hope-------------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Working on the wheel.
Trying to put aside the great haltered that seams to surround Bessler's and his wheel. Concentrating on better things. Will start the Assy. today / clear away any interferences that might occur.

I have a bad feeling even if it did work; there will only be more ridicule-------------------Sam

[JUBAT]

If you could prove to me that your wheel worked, I would proudly eat crow - even paying for the rotten fruits and vegetables by which people could lob them at me and hurl insults.

I support anyone who makes a claim and can prove it without resorting to recants, retractions, and declarations based on hopes instead of facts.

I'd take my skepticism and turn it 180 degrees around into full 100% support and even financial backing if you needed it. I wouldn't even need to know how it worked for this offer to be valid, but I would predicate it on seeing it in person so I could perform some hands-off tests to make sure it wasn't being run by electromagnetic induction, wound up springs, etc. For some reason, I get the idea you're not that kind of person.

[Sam Peppiatt]

JUBAT,
I'm sorry, I see you as a critic.

Looks like you are right as all of you always are. The bearing isn't holding anything----------------------Sam

[JUBAT]

Oh yeah I'm a critic for sure. I'm 100% in agreement with you. When I signed up on the site, I didn't see the stipulation that you had to think it was possible before signing up.

Even so, my last project was an attempt at building one of the movements that Michigan Jim had shown in his animations. I figured out the mechanical connections to make the weights move like he had shown, but it still wasn't a runner. The weights tended to act after the fact. I'm tempted to finish assembling the last one because I quit when I realized it wouldn't run. It was a lot of work, but it demonstrated how you can build mechanisms on stackable frames and spacers so that if you have mechanisms that pass through the middle where the axle should be, it doesn't interfere with the operation of the weights.

It's a lot work and time over something that doesn't work.

Glomming on to WC's hints where he says make your own gravity and his agreeing with the importance of 90 degree activation, I have some more ideas related to this futile quest. It is important that the hammer toys show the weights at 90 degrees - there is something to that. Is it possible that it has any relation to how helicopters work? It plagued helicopter designers for a long time when they would go to lift a blade in the rear to make the helicopter go forward it would turn and go out of control. Turns out in order to direct the force where you need it, due to the gyroscopic nature of things, you must bring on the force 90 degrees in advance. So depending on which way the rotor spins, you tilt your blade on either the right or left side and that causes the force to lift 90 degrees later. True, that's in the 3rd dimension, but I wonder if it has anything to do with how the force is seen in the wheel by bringing one weight in while you bring another out 90 degrees to each other.

Funny how a person can claim they have success on this board and then recant and it's all okay. But tell people they need to use pendulums or show your skepticism and they come unglued.

People hate being wrong and I understand it.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Get in line JUBAT, what's another enemy. I can live with one more------------------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

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Glomming on to WC's hints where he says make your own gravity and his . .. .. .

Most know how they feel about what PM means. Fact is a gravity wheel could never be true PM by reason of its necessity of gravity.

• True PM can not have a
  dependency on gravity.

Presently I'm designing a gravity powered wheel, the sort the stupid/smart folk say is impossible. I agree, it is impossible. I'll have done the impossible.

I've decided to make the first book a 2 volume set. One of the books will have slots like coin collector books. It will have a hole thru its middle where an axle can be placed. When quarters are put in the book where directed & an axle is put thru the middle of the book, it will rotate. :)

I might title that volume

• "The Definitive Book on PM"

I have one more day to take questions before I have to write Jubat a $15K USD check before I can restore my posting privileges.

either that or be successful.

[JUBAT]

Oh I see the allusion to coins. Might it be the coins are the rain that pour down and create the gravity?

My bank account could use an extra 15K, but perhaps we can discuss advantageous conversion rates like in pesos or rupees.

:)