Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[WaltzCee]

No, no, no, Jubat.

I will either be successful or I will never post here again. I am not JL. You have my word.

[Fletcher]

Walt .. if you are unsuccessful (and I hope you aren't) then I hope you reconsider posting here again when the emotions have ebbed .. for starters you generally add value to the forum, and collectively we might learn something of importance should you share your experiments with us .. this hobby can sometimes be all or none, and leave one battered and bruised, and slightly unhinged at times, if taken too seriously .. generally set right by a good break away from the subject and reconnecting with family and friends to gain a better life balance and perspective .. fwiw I recently went on a 6 day road trip to the town where I grew up and left 45 years ago - and stayed with a cousin and her husband I didn't know well - we all had a blast and things Bessler didn't even enter my mind once - refreshing and cathartic ..

Having said that I hope you will be back because you were successful in building a POP runner, and kudos for doing it your way !

[WaltzCee]

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Thank you Fletcher. I have never been more confident of a design in my entire PM career. :). I think that says a lot considering how cocky I can get.

I know I need to get some of that out of my system as I transition into sales mode. I've figured out how to go viral, if this PoP is successful.

I have a heck of an imagination. I don't like setting deadlines for myself, yet 3 weeks, max.

Maybe August first I'll know.

Sounds like you had a good time back home. When I sale this wheel I want to go home & buy a farm.

[Fletcher]

When I sale this wheel I want to go home & buy a farm.

LOL .. that's what I've always said, except a coastal farm somewhere warm in NZ, and put a manager on it .. I have a farming background and love all kinds of farming, and keep up with it today .. the only problem is that anecdotally coastal farmers in NZ aren't very good farmers - because they have views of the coast lol .. I'b be happy with that - hence the manager .. I'll come visit you ..

Besides we need you around one way or another because JC isn't far off revealing his solution to a B. runner, and that may well open up whole new areas of discussion requiring your input ..

All The Best on the POP and sale ..

[WaltzCee]

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Has John set a deadline?

[Fletcher]

Looks like you are right as all of you always are. The bearing isn't holding anything----------------------Sam

Hey Sam .. is the bearing not 'holding anything' the only reason it is not working as you had hoped ? Can it be 'adjusted' to get it to perform the way you had wanted ?

Could it be that there is too much back-torque in the wheel system even after the modifications you've carried out to date ?

Best -f


ETA .. for Walt .. reading between the lines and what he has said on his blog this morning as the latest update it looks like his release of principle is imminent (no set date) - probably within weeks I'd wager .. he has been building to this outcome as we all know, so I have no doubts he will follow thru as he has said he would ..

[WaltzCee]

Well, Fletcher, first I have a lot of respect for John. So many people have developed an interest in PM because of his writings. But, here comes the butt!!

John has been saying the same thing for a long time. He hitched his wagon to Bessler's star. I see beyond Bessler. The cult/school of Pythagoras looked at creation or imagined what was behind it.

Western Civilization can trace a lot of its understandings back to Pythagoras. That's where my book will begin.

A final point, the book is going to be available as a single copy. If someone would like to buy the last draft with all rights, that's going to be available.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltce,
You have to try it. It's all any one can do----------------Sam
Fletcher,
Not sure, have to take my own advice and try it. Will learn some thing. There might not be any back torque at all--Sam

[Fletcher]

I don't fault or revere John above anyone else Walt ..

This is how I see it ..

John chose his path a long time ago - he has diligently attempted to decipher Bessler clues and codes etc to the best of his ability believing that "process and dedication" will ultimately reveal a working design .. he has not deviated from this single-minded approach over all the years and past attempts, often updating as he goes as he learns new things (this is not unique) .. he does not lack enthusiasm and self-belief for the task, sure in himself that it will furnish results .. if his research and deductions from that channeled research direction lead to a successful runner design then he will be wholly vindicated - his time and effort, the blood sweat and tears, worth the result ..

Some don't know of Bessler (or ignore him), and pursue their own ideas towards a "PM" machine .. that is their right ..

Many like me, thread the needle between the two - bouncing between attempting to unravel Bessler's mechanics and developing our own mechanics to a successful "PM" machine .. the constant in all our approaches including Bessler is the underlying Laws of Nature and Newtonian Physics constraints as we know them today ..

Of the 3 paths given above none are mutually exclusive at the expense of another (until an answer arrives) .. John has stuck faithfully to his original plan - his previous endeavours may not have resulted in a runner at that time, but each episode provides an opportunity to learn and refine our thoughts and approaches to solving this quest and so it enriches the whole ..

It may well be that Pythagoras has a part to play in the final analysis, even Bessler's .. after all everything is geometry and symmetry ..

[JUBAT]

Well, Fletcher, first I have a lot of respect for John. So many people have developed an interest in PM because of his writings. But, here comes the butt!!

John has been saying the same thing for a long time. He hitched his wagon to Bessler's star. I see beyond Bessler. The cult/school of Pythagoras looked at creation or imagined what was behind it.

Western Civilization can trace a lot of its understandings back to Pythagoras. That's where my book will begin.

A final point, the book is going to be available as a single copy. If someone would like to buy the last draft with all rights, that's going to be available.

As soon as John reveals, then he will quit selling books. That's why I say he never will reveal it despite him saying that he will because he wants the money from his translations of Bessler's works and rightly so. If you can't invent it, at least sell the books and let someone else worry about the invention. Look at KB for crying out loud. The best thing would be to reveal a dud so that people will get off his back and he can keep selling interest in his books. The carrot on the stick has gone on far too long. Oh yeah, I make a good scapegoat and people call me a pessimist. I'm a realist.

WC on the other hand is a bit of an anomaly. I don't think it's a good idea to claim success until there is tangible proof, but if he claims it, I tend to believe him more than anyone else, but never 100% until an actual machine is proven. As far as unproven wheels and financial success, it seems to be working for Collins and KB so hey, why not. I'm even thinking of writing my own anti-Bessler e-book with a therapy slant. Titles such as, "Don't waste your life for 25 watts" and "You'll die before you figure it out" come to mind.

[WaltzCee]

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Titles such as, "Don't waste your life for 25 watts" and "You'll die before you figure it out" come to mind.

Ok, that was funny.

Material science has come a long way since Bessler. When gravity is synthesized with hydraulic springs and the contraption is buried with concrete backing, I imagine the age of Tesla will have arrived!

It's going to be a wild ride for humanity.

[JUBAT]

The fact though Walt is that for the rest of us, nothing will have changed. Even if you manage to sell your book and make a fortune, whoever buys it also won't want to reveal and jeopardize their potential ROI.

So nothing will have changed except we're minus a posting member and then it's back to ghost town, carrot on a stick promises from John Collins, recanted success stories, and days-away postings. <YAWN>

I'm glad one person figured it out and is getting ready to enjoy the ride - but for me - nothing has changed.

Sometimes it's just more fun to concede, be right, and enjoy the heckling and chastisement. I've read enough formulas and diatribes on falling masses - all things physics to fill an set of encyclopedias that all start with the letter P (P is for physics) and still - no successful wheel. Seems you can be book smart and understand a lot of science behind rotating objects, but it still doesn't tell you how to make a wheel rotate.

It kind of feels like a chess game where you know for a fact you're gonna lose, but you play anyway just to watch the pieces move around the board the same way every time right up until you lose...again.

[WaltzCee]

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• The fact though Walt is that for the rest of us, nothing will have changed. Even if you manage to sell your book and make a fortune, whoever buys it also won't want to reveal and jeopardize their potential ROI.

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I appreciate bouncing ideas off you, Jubat. I'm not kidding myself, it's all speculation. However, given I have something to sell, I plan on going viral all by myself. I have that skill set.

While I'm causing this world wide buzz, I plan on offering to sell my rumble channel (to be launched) & my URL (never have told a soul what the name is) and all rights to the book to some deep pockets.

If it gets sold to deep pockets, I'll want stock options. They'll need to build a facility to demonstrate the potential, then license it around the world for 35 years, capital due up front.

Companies buying the licenses will be in hock up to their eyeballs! They better have good credit.

Properly designed, I think this wheel can output way more than 25 watts.

If I can't sell to deep pockets, I'd settle for preselling 800K books. I have 3 books planned.

Any thoughts?

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Make that 4 books, the first book will be 2 volumes.

[JUBAT]

I took it that you were going to sell one book - literally one book with your draft notes. I see now you were talking one book that you could sell multiple copies of.

It's a Bessler quandry for sure because once you sell, the cat's out of the bag although I'm sure those who buy will treat it like that cretin character from Lord of the Rings that says my precious in a raspy voice all the time. Preselling all at once is a great way to mitigate damage control.

There is an old saying, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." A viral buzz is great as long as you have the solution. If you can make a few bucks from all of this, good for you. Go for it. You'd be an idiot to not pursue it. The carrot on a stick approach has worked for KB and John Collins and since I see no prohibitions down in writing anywhere against you doing the same, it looks like it's open season on what you can make from the Bessler Wheel. If you build one big enough to ride on, I'd love a ride on your Walter-Go-Round. Just don't let me catch a team of oompah loompahs behind the scenes pulling on ropes and cables LOL!

For the rest of us though, we don't have a runner so we will keep on slaving away playing our games of pin the tail on the wheel in hopes something will happen. Solved wheels don't help any of us if they aren't revealed.

It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds. Watch your back and stockpile sterilized food lest someone try to pull a Stanley Meyer on you.

[WaltzCee]

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This is my last day to post, so I'm trying to put a lot of my ideas here for review, Jubat.
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I took it that you were going to sell one book - literally one book with your draft notes. I see now you were talking one book that you could sell multiple copies of.

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If the general public want to buy a PM book, I'll sell a lot of copies in a day.

Yet while I'm waiting on the general public, I'll be courting buyers with the capital to do the idea justice.

The first printing will be 2 volumes, one being an actual working model. I need a lot of sales to fund a competition of some sort. I want huge prizes!

Some have suggested, just give it away. :) Someone's selling 400 acres back home & I want that land. They're not just going to give it to me.

I have no idea what planet some of these joker's are from.