A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum

[AB Hammer]

@All,
The diagrams show how I am considering the basic forces. Since i am building, what the heck. And inertia is 90° perpendicular to the axis of rotation.
Centrifugal force is any direction in a straight line away from the axis of rotation. And linear and angular momentum, the over balanced weight is actually angular momentum.
Since gravity is a linear force, I calculate the extra potential as linear momentum and the weights when stationary as angular moment. This basically considers the wheel as a whole.
This allows for considering 2 opposing weights 20 in. from center. If the weight at 90° after TDC rolls out 1 in. and the weights are 1 lb. each, then the over balance is 1 in. lb. of torque.
And since the weight swings to a position of balance, it's force is actually 1/2 in. lb. of torque. And if this design works, then by using a standard arrangement of force and calculations, then if bigger and better is desired, there will be a basis to understand design changes.

@AB Hammer, This is how I talk wheel. In the years I have known you, you have said that you have just as much right to anything I am working on. You don't. this thread is about what I am building and not what you want it to be.
Still, you could only have known I got banned from a wood working forum if you were there. And yet you are not a wood worker and you constantly say I am wrong 100% of the time.
If you don't understand math or science, you really have nothing credible to add. After all, you have said many times that none of Bessler's drawings are runners.
If what I am building works, I think if I ask Scott nicely, he will ban you for the years long smear campaign.

Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion, including changes to its speed and direction. It is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant velocity.


Centrifugal force (from Latin centrum, meaning "center", and fugere, meaning "to flee") is the apparent force that draws a rotating body away from the center of rotation. It is caused by the inertia of the body.

Jim L

To simplify, CF effect is all that is really needed. Otherwise a nice picture.

P.S. It would be nice if you post a link on things I was supposed to have said. Now when you cant people will know that is a lie.

[Allen_T]

You need me, don't you Alan ? After all, you can't stay out of my threads, you can't show any work you can discuss, etc., etc.
What I posted about centrifugal force and inertia are both correct examples. I am not sure why you refuse to learn.

>> P.S. It would be nice if you post a link on things I was supposed to have said. Now when you cant people will know that is a lie. <<

Why are you telling people what to think ? This is a thread I started because other people who take the time to build might find it interesting and if it works, build one as well.
After all, you are spamming my thread with your opinion. Your opinion is not needed. After all, haven't seen where you know wood working or design engineering.
If I wanted to make myself some armor, you would be one of the first people I would ask for help. But when it comes to mechanical engineering and science, you don't seem to grasp the meaning of context.
And for what I posted, I am correct. And it gives me a frame work that I understand and can work with.
And since I am the one building, and I am paying for it out of my own pocket, it is my right to exclude anyone I wish and you are the only person not welcome.

[Allen_T]

@All,
The link is to a video I just made. It shows what my considerations are for this project. There is a dowel that needs to always be aligned in the grooves of the 2 stationary pulleys.
I am almost thinking that a 4 oz. weight on both dowels that need to stop at the beginning of the stationary pulley might work best. This is because I can couple the 2 different lines so they help to guide each other.
I routed a concave surface into the 2 half pulleys and then routed a small slot at the bottom of the concave surface.
If adding even 2 oz.s of weight works, then the guides for the lines going to the weights is the only real work left to be done. Since this is a build that no one has done before, it is very much a learning experience for me.
And since tomorrow is my normal off day from work, I'll start on the guides for the lines that control the movements of the weights.

Jim

http://youtu.be/YoL0I4XbMlw

@AB Hammer, if this build works the way I expect it to, maybe you might become someone who is willing to learn.

[AB Hammer]

Lindgaard

1. How can I stop you from working. This is a forum! if you haven't noticed. No one can stop anybody from working.

2. Stop telling lies about people and you won't get people to defend themselves. Just talk wheel. I was willing to let bygones be bygones and just talk wheel but you had to lead to conflict with more of your BS.


The funniest part of all this is. You like to think I need you. LOL I don't need anybody except my loving family.

The real difference in approach to science is I use references to check and double check. You seem to think you have it all in your head and don't need references.

I also have the privilege in seeing in 3D even on 2D picture, they pop out of the frame in my eyes and mind and I can even turn them around. I can only rest my eyes with 3D shows on my 3D TV or my eyes tend to start to strain watching regular TV. Since I am sure you have no idea what I am talking about. It is known as the artist's eye. Those who are very good at sculpting know what I am talking about. Everything one sees is instantly triangulated to the necessary answer for the project at hand. It is something that can not be taught for is has to be natural. This make visualization very easy and helps see what can happen before it does. Of course you probably wouldn't understand for it is a different level. Not a higher level of intelligence, but a higher level in talent and skill that only happens to a small percentage.

edited to correct grammar.

[AB Hammer]

Jim L

I see you have what seems to be an off set weight in your roller barrel wheel. This can be interesting for the weight will be constantly changing places. I have in the past played with magnets in coffee cans to make it seeming run up hill. Hay it is different for you. It is not an MT.

[Allen_T]

@AB Hammer,
I am hoping you thought that post up all by yourself but the reality is, you do need me.
As for your comment >> You seem to think you have it all in your head and don't need references. <<

This is an accurate assumption on your part. After all, I have a couple of years and a couple thousand or more dollars spent. Some people would call that experience.
Also, I have worked out the math to my satisfaction. I notice that in none of your claims do you cite anything in math. Actually, you won't even mention Bessler in a forum that supports his work.
And in reality Alan, I am probably much smarter than you are. I think reading books and doing more than home work, you know, doing actual research has helped.
I think what you have missed is that I have also learned from the Wright Bros. as well as Bill Boeing. They are both famous for airplanes.
And both Mr. Boeing and the Wright Bros. used a systematic approach to research and development.
There was a guy named Langley who was America's foremost scientist who failed at inventing the airplane because he did not know how to do research.
Langley's claim to fame is being the head of the Smithsonian Institution and America's foremost scientific mind in his time.
And some how Alan, you have missed all of this. In a historical context, you would be Langley or Wagner. Of course Langley's observations of the Sun is what propelled him to the top of the scientific community within the U.S.
At about the same time in Europe, Planck and Einstein where doing the physics that would allow for technological advancement in the 20th Century.
And as for what I am building, you don't have the patience necessary to learn. This means that if it works as anticipated, you won't have a clue as to why.

[Allen_T]

Jim L

I see you have what seems to be an off set weight in your roller barrel wheel. This can be interesting for the weight will be constantly changing places. I have in the past played with magnets in coffee cans to make it seeming run up hill. Hay it is different for you. It is not an MT.

Alan,
This statement of yours discredits Bessler, >> Hay it is different for you. It is not an MT <<

So it's my invention and you showing me your work makes you co-inventor, right ?
Sorry Alan, it's similarity to Mt 26 and using a spinning top as a wheel weight seems to be too much of a coincidence for me.
But as an invention which is not Bessler's, then you can make money off of the patent, right ?
Why don't you ask Scott Ellis and John Collins what they think. You know, does Mt 26 have a weight rolling in a channel.
Yep, I think you are upset that I mentioned it resembling Mt 26 and the spinning top. You weren't expecting that, were you ?
I think now the people in here need to consider if you are pursuing your own interests at the expense of Bessler.

[AB Hammer]

@AB Hammer,
I am hoping you thought that post up all by yourself but the reality is, you do need me.
As for your comment >> You seem to think you have it all in your head and don't need references. <<

This is an accurate assumption on your part. After all, I have a couple of years and a couple thousand or more dollars spent. Some people would call that experience.

Jim Lindgaard

I am glad I wasn't eating yet for I laughed so hard I would have made a mess of my desk.

You know you are admitting of being an Arrogant SOB
with what you wrote.

Also, I have worked out the math to my satisfaction. I notice that in none of your claims do you cite anything in math. Actually, you won't even mention Bessler in a forum that supports his work.
And in reality Alan, I am probably much smarter than you are. I think reading books and doing more than home work, you know, doing actual research has helped.

Didn't you just say you didn't need references? you do it all in your head?
LMAO

I think what you have missed is that I have also learned from the Wright Bros. as well as Bill Boeing. They are both famous for airplanes.
And both Mr. Boeing and the Wright Bros. used a systematic approach to research and development.
There was a guy named Langley who was America's foremost scientist who failed at inventing the airplane because he did not know how to do research.
Langley's claim to fame is being the head of the Smithsonian Institution and America's foremost scientific mind in his time.
And some how Alan, you have missed all of this. In a historical context, you would be Langley or Wagner. Of course Langley's observations of the Sun is what propelled him to the top of the scientific community within the U.S.
At about the same time in Europe, Planck and Einstein where doing the physics that would allow for technological advancement in the 20th Century.
And as for what I am building, you don't have the patience necessary to learn. This means that if it works as anticipated, you won't have a clue as to why.

Don't forget Jim L that you don't work for Boeing anymore or if you where as great as you like to think? You would have been in management and not off in KY trying to act like your on a great crusade for Bessler. You do Bessler no honer with your BS. You are so into your math you have problems with observation of reactions. That is why your one test was so bad, for your stationary weights where not in a proper position but both on the same side of the horizontal line When not being moved my hand. This line I simply call the 3:00 to 9:00 which means the weights would always stagnate below the line. I use this way for anybody can understand if they just look at a clock. A basic clock is round like a wheel. I'm starting to think you have number readout clocks only so you understand what time it is. I have seen people before who could not read a clock. If I am not mistaken fighter pilots still use clock references as well.

So I suggest for you to quit blinding yourself on paper and be more observant then check your construction before you do a video showing your great (cough) know how.

[AB Hammer]

Jim L

I see you have what seems to be an off set weight in your roller barrel wheel. This can be interesting for the weight will be constantly changing places. I have in the past played with magnets in coffee cans to make it seeming run up hill. Hay it is different for you. It is not an MT.

Alan,
This statement of yours discredits Bessler, >> Hay it is different for you. It is not an MT <<

So it's my invention and you showing me your work makes you co-inventor, right ?
Sorry Alan, it's similarity to Mt 26 and using a spinning top as a wheel weight seems to be too much of a coincidence for me.
But as an invention which is not Bessler's, then you can make money off of the patent, right ?
Why don't you ask Scott Ellis and John Collins what they think. You know, does Mt 26 have a weight rolling in a channel.
Yep, I think you are upset that I mentioned it resembling Mt 26 and the spinning top. You weren't expecting that, were you ?
I think now the people in here need to consider if you are pursuing your own interests at the expense of Bessler.

LOL Jim L

So much BS. If you believe this you can also use MT1 as a reference. The balls run on their tracks.

I assure you Bessler is well in my mind and studies and when the wheel is proved Bessler will somewhat vindicated in history as having a running wheel and a great inspiration. BUT! the proof belongs to the inventor of the proved wheel.

Alan

[Allen_T]

AB Hammer,
You do need me. The problem is, you won't do anything to help yourself.
Do you mind if we talk about you for a moment ? You see, we do have one thing in common, no social life. With me, it's my hearing loss. People with normal hearing don't like repeating themselves or accommodating someone
that has trouble hearing.
With you, you don't have any initiative. After all, your knees are a problem, right ? You also weigh 340 lbs., right ? And yet if you dropped down to 220 lbs., it would take a 120 lb. load off of your knees.
And that is when you are standing still, when walking, etc., that load increases.
The 2nd things is, you haven't shown any interest in the nuts and bolts of a build or what allows for a Bessler wheel to work. You do need to be familiar with math and engineering, you know science and mechanics.
And if you are not a part of what I am doing, you are discredited.

You being over weight and having knee problems is a trade off. Your lack of initiative to learn basic math and science and then not being able to talk "wheel" is another trade off and finally, if my build is successful and you are discredited as a result, that is another trade off.

An odd statement; >> BUT! the proof belongs to the inventor of the proved wheel. <<

The "proven" Bessler wheel would not be an invention. Yet you say the builder can claim it as his/her/their invention.
If what I am building works and I say it is a Bessler wheel and show Mt 26 and Mt 138 - 141, while I would own the wheel, I would not be it's inventor, I would be saying that Bessler was.
I have let the Historical Museum at Carillon Park in Dayton, Ohio know they can have it if it works as I think it will.

Alan, the build in the picture is one I did last year. How ever I wanted to do a better build. And I think the wood working is actually better in that because it has clean and simple lines.
But with a larger build, it will be easier for people to "see" what allows the wheel to work.
I may have to rebuild it after I finish with my current build. Still, also needed to do a larger build so it would be easier for me to work out the mechanics for control the roll out and retraction of the weight wheels.
Kind of a shame you'd rather work by yourself and have nothing but that is a decision that you made. That is also another trade off. And I think as far as Bessler goes, considering how things went for him, I think he'd prefer to have more than just one person in possession of his work.

Jim

[Allen_T]

Alan,
What did you use to tell me ? That is was your right to control my will ? Yep, you did say that.
You also said that you are going to sue me for slander. And yet when you show a Bessler drawing, you say "please ignore the squiggles' and now you say surely I need to learn from Mt 1.
You are doing obvious things to act ignorant. With 5 green dots, I think those green dots show that you aren't.
Yet you are begging for me to say something stupid to discredit me or you are wanting me to be "Christ" like. After all, you banned your step son Michael from posting unless he posted what you told him to do.
And if someone wants to avoid insulting you when you are obviously asking for it, then you can say, see how forgiving I have made this person.
And I think that is why you are a dangerous person Alan. You did tell me you want to live for eternity, that people will say Alan Bauldree made himself a Jesus. That's what you're really after right ?
That's why in woodworkingtalk.com, you got me banned. After all, you knew I got banned from an unknown forum. And why was that ? Because you kept telling me not to talk about them woman who has inspired me.
You wanted the discussion we are having here. I think you are sick Alan. This means you need to talk to doctors at the V.A. and let them know you are willing to ruin someone else's life so you can try to play John the Baptist.
And since you want immortality, there is John 3:16. Since you are a Theologian, you would know this. But John 3'16 is eternal life, why you are not discussing Bessler having been a religious man.
It si funny in a way Alan, most people would rather have a life but not you.

[Allen_T]

Alan,
I like this scripture;

Luke 6:47

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

And I know that you will say it is YOU, it's not. It's Bessler. And I guess every time that I say that Bessler was really smart, I am talking about myself as well. You know, Luke 6:47 again.
It could be why I like his drawings so much. They are a lesson in perpetual motion mechanics.

Jim
dited to add;
Alan, maybe what you need to do is to go to church and talk to a pastor, you know;
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 KJV

edited to add YOU when referring to ab hammer.

[AB Hammer]

AB Hammer,
You do need me. The problem is, you won't do anything to help yourself.
Do you mind if we talk about you for a moment ? You see, we do have one thing in common, no social life. With me, it's my hearing loss. People with normal hearing don't like repeating themselves or accommodating someone
that has trouble hearing.
With you, you don't have any initiative. After all, your knees are a problem, right ? You also weigh 340 lbs., right ? And yet if you dropped down to 220 lbs., it would take a 120 lb. load off of your knees.
And that is when you are standing still, when walking, etc., that load increases.
The 2nd things is, you haven't shown any interest in the nuts and bolts of a build or what allows for a Bessler wheel to work. You do need to be familiar with math and engineering, you know science and mechanics.
And if you are not a part of what I am doing, you are discredited.

Jim L

As for your last statement in bold. Are you claiming to a GOD? It is sounding like it.

As for my knees They have bee bad since I was in the military. I was happy to last but if I had to run I would have been in deep trouble for I have no ACL in my right knee for it snapped and the idiot doctors would only x-ray when at a minimum needed to find it would be x-ray with die for that time period. That is why my right knee hyper extends negative 10 degrees. My knees are up for replacement and I look forward to be able to run again. OH yes!! I have lost 63lbs to date. This is thanks to CPAP and Oxygen combination so I have at least fair sleep. It better than almost none.

You being over weight and having knee problems is a trade off. Your lack of initiative to learn basic math and science and then not being able to talk "wheel" is another trade off and finally, if my build is successful and you are discredited as a result, that is another trade off.

While I was only in high school I was tested to be 3rd year college math. So STFU about math math math. You will not figure out the wheel with only math or it would have been done thousands of time over from better men than you or I.

An odd statement; >> BUT! the proof belongs to the inventor of the proved wheel. <<

The "proven" Bessler wheel would not be an invention. Yet you say the builder can claim it as his/her/their invention.
If what I am building works and I say it is a Bessler wheel and show Mt 26 and Mt 138 - 141, while I would own the wheel, I would not be it's inventor, I would be saying that Bessler was.
I have let the Historical Museum at Carillon Park in Dayton, Ohio know they can have it if it works as I think it will.

What you are doing isn't a whole lot different that what I did with this one. Your just using strait tracks. But I am afraid you will not make it work but by all means try and try again.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... er=user_id

Alan, the build in the picture is one I did last year. How ever I wanted to do a better build. And I think the wood working is actually better in that because it has clean and simple lines.
But with a larger build, it will be easier for people to "see" what allows the wheel to work.
I may have to rebuild it after I finish with my current build. Still, also needed to do a larger build so it would be easier for me to work out the mechanics for control the roll out and retraction of the weight wheels.
Kind of a shame you'd rather work by yourself and have nothing but that is a decision that you made. That is also another trade off. And I think as far as Bessler goes, considering how things went for him, I think he'd prefer to have more than just one person in possession of his work.

Jim

Good luck on your build.

[AB Hammer]

Alan,
What did you use to tell me ? That is was your right to control my will ? Yep, you did say that.
You also said that you are going to sue me for slander. And yet when you show a Bessler drawing, you say "please ignore the squiggles' and now you say surely I need to learn from Mt 1.
You are doing obvious things to act ignorant. With 5 green dots, I think those green dots show that you aren't.
Yet you are begging for me to say something stupid to discredit me or you are wanting me to be "Christ" like. After all, you banned your step son Michael from posting unless he posted what you told him to do.
And if someone wants to avoid insulting you when you are obviously asking for it, then you can say, see how forgiving I have made this person.
And I think that is why you are a dangerous person Alan. You did tell me you want to live for eternity, that people will say Alan Bauldree made himself a Jesus. That's what you're really after right ?
That's why in woodworkingtalk.com, you got me banned. After all, you knew I got banned from an unknown forum. And why was that ? Because you kept telling me not to talk about them woman who has inspired me.
You wanted the discussion we are having here. I think you are sick Alan. This means you need to talk to doctors at the V.A. and let them know you are willing to ruin someone else's life so you can try to play John the Baptist.
And since you want immortality, there is John 3:16. Since you are a Theologian, you would know this. But John 3'16 is eternal life, why you are not discussing Bessler having been a religious man.
It si funny in a way Alan, most people would rather have a life but not you.

Out side of the TOTAL BS you just posted. You said I said, (now in bold) So show the links to prove it. I know you can't, so admit you are a making fraudulent statements and slander for that is all you are doing.

As for pressing charges? You are still giving me a lot of ammunition. LMAO

[AB Hammer]

Alan,
I like this scripture;

Luke 6:47

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

And I know that you will say it is YOU, it's not. It's Bessler. And I guess every time that I say that Bessler was really smart, I am talking about myself as well. You know, Luke 6:47 again.
It could be why I like his drawings so much. They are a lesson in perpetual motion mechanics.

Jim
dited to add;
Alan, maybe what you need to do is to go to church and talk to a pastor, you know;
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 KJV

edited to add YOU when referring to ab hammer.

You forgot one of the 10 commandments that you have been guilty of.
Though shalt not bare false whiteness.
This means not to lie. You got that!!