His Secret Is In The Levers

[WaltzCee]

It's more weird than that:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/client

Very eccentric point of view if you ask me. When up is defined as down, we're all looking like a clown.

My money is on the Ancient of Days, if we're able to first define the terms and then stick to them. Otherwise, well, I'm still holding pat.

[james.lindgard]

Interesting viewpoint... I thought you were supposed to be your client's supporter, not your client's pimp or merchant.

This is so interesting. Let us break it down. A pimp takes something and turns a dime; puts some in his pocket and gives the whore some (for make-up, perfume or what ever) then does it again. In other words for a pimp, it's about having nothing on the table and collecting 20 pieces of silver.

For me that's not the case. I have a dog in the race. I have something on the table. I have my very life on the table. If I loose, feed me to the lions. Throw me into a firey furnace with Shadrach, Meshach and a BadNegro. I don't give a rats ass.

I have skin in the game, but more than that. My very existence is in the balance. Way more than skin if you ask me.

I'm betting on the one that knows where the fulcrum is and puts it where he damn well pleases.

Somebody once posted in here that the most difficult part of realizing Bessler's wheel would be over coming the people in here. The last few posts proves that. And Walt, why can't your client speak for himself ? Are you his Beotch ? You are, just letting you know.

edited to add; this is a message I just sent to Scott.

Scott,
I guess your system of cronyism is working pretty well. I think it's funny that you took the time to make a forum and then let any ignorant comment be made as long as it's someone who is liked in the forum and is not working on Bessler's wheel. Kind of makes it all out to be one big joke.


Jim


edited to add; And Walt, what is so funny about this is that all the time your client was laughing at me for working on Bessler's wheel, I did figure it out. And yet what kind of mad needs another man to defend his (her?) honor ? That is what you're doing and yet you are so proud of yourself. :-)

[eccentrically1]

It's more weird than that:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/client

Very eccentric point of view if you ask me. When up is defined as down, we're all looking like a clown.

My money is on the Ancient of Days, if we're able to first define the terms and then stick to them. Otherwise, well, I'm still holding pat.

It's your point of view, not mine.
My point of view towards spirituality is on another thread; I don't remember which one.

[james.lindgard]

@All,
Against my better judgement I am posting this. If the 3 pictures are downloaded into the same folder, then a picture can be opened in a photoveiwer and then they can be viewed in sequence and any movement noted.
Any more, I thnk AB Hammer was right when he told me that I did not want to do this. I think it is as Jim_Mich said, this forum has become a cult and it's discussions are not based on any science or belief but whatever the respected forum memebrs want something to be.
And I am out of place in here, I'm what would be called a DYI'er. That means I am soemone who does things myself like working on projects. But that's not the right attitude for this forum.
And for those of you who visit in here but don't post because of what you'd have to tolerate, you might find me on facebook. That doesn't allow for much of a discussion but there aren't any forums where building is accepted.


Jim

edited to add; the lever on the left in the 2nd picture is off by 7.5 degrees but everyone should get the idea.

edited to add; did a quick fix, don't have the internet at home :-)
Kind of where I need to stay and mind my own business. After all, I could lose a lot by posting in here because of many poor attitudes.
And as everyone knows, Bessler was arrested for being a fraud which he acknowledged, right ? Right !

[ME]

Interesting viewpoint... I thought you were supposed to be your client's supporter, not your client's pimp or merchant.

This is so interesting. Let us break it down. A pimp takes something and turns a dime; puts some in his pocket and gives the whore some (for make-up, perfume or what ever) then does it again. In other words for a pimp, it's about having nothing on the table and collecting 20 pieces of silver.

For me that's not the case. I have a dog in the race. I have something on the table. I have my very life on the table. If I loose, feed me to the lions. Throw me into a firey furnace with Shadrach, Meshach and a BadNegro. I don't give a rats ass.

I have skin in the game, but more than that. My very existence is in the balance. Way more than skin if you ask me.

I'm betting on the one that knows where the fulcrum is and puts it where he damn well pleases.

You created a challenge by advertising your client's supremacy and awaiting any failure from some other side - it remains unchallenged (this iteration) no matter how the other side reacts, therefore the bet you placed can't be lost.
Hence it's a marketing trick (your bet priced supremacy, not praised) which can be repeated cheaply (pimped) without additional costs (one life).

All this is based on your privileged personal experience and can't be proven by someone else (personal) and can't be proven by you (but experienced).
How do we really know you bested your better?
Possibly you were either just better in some of those cases, perhaps you overestimated the other, underestimate yourself, was just lucky, unknowingly helped by your client, and/or/thus/besides/while/also/maybe/hence/ergo the other had a bad moment.
Perhaps you never tried to test your client yourself for some unknown reason, so it might even be possible you'd surpass your client when you'd try; perhaps you already tried and something funny or mysterious happened... I don't know (perhaps some day, perhaps better when it remains that way).

I don't think you will be torn, sliced, diced, marinated, pickled, barbecued, grilled, fried, cooked, or otherwise be processed as it were a form of revenge, wrath, judgement or other weird sense of hind-sight-correction; --- at least that should not happen according to the Mighty Fulcrum I know, it's simply not how fulcrum-thingies behave. Your existence should be safe enough.

Still makes me wonder though: what would the situation be when you match (or transcend) your own client? :-)

[james.lindgard]

This is so funny because AB Hammer has told me that he is a Prophet. at the same time Jim_Mich says that this forum is a cult. And if I'm not mistaken B Hammer wants to be John the Baptist when it comes to someone realizing Bessler's work. It is my opinion that he wants the same recognition. And any more, this forum is much like a church as people are taught to have faith and believe that Bessler was successful while offering no work but offer Alms instead and I am sure that AB Hammer likes the fact that people in here are offering him Alms. It's about all he understands so I think for me, I will need to say good bye so you guys can get back to your faith.

[ME]

Oops something must have gone wrong there when you uploaded or changed those files... I still had an open tab with the thumbnails so here's a sequence of those as I couldn't get that first larger image.

[AB Hammer]

ME

Here is something to help understand why some designs don't work.

On lindgaard's drawing I added a line. Equal it off at the 9 and 3 o:clock positions and count the number of weights below the line and count the number of weights above the line. Even though the wheels will show in such position while stagnant. Moving in rotation caused different results and despite either way. There is not enough weight above the line to make proper reset.

This is what I learned a long time ago from wheels that had similar approach.

[preoccupied]

AB Hammer weights can be connected by springs and gears and strings and they can flop around and fall again, and there is no "line" that determines because they are in a position below that line they would be universally unable to turn a wheel. You just trial and error your way into a scientific law on a subject like perpetual motion where there has been no recorded success yet. You are just most likely wrong about the 9 and 3. Give me a good reason why you keep believing it's like this.

[james.lindgard]

Oops something must have gone wrong there when you uploaded or changed those files... I still had an open tab with the thumbnails so here's a sequence of those as I couldn't get that first larger image.

ME,
That's basically it for the basic way. If a person draws a line through the axle that gravity follows, they'll find there is an over balance on the right side. An over balance is determined by far to the left or right of the axle at 90 degrees to the axle.

[AB Hammer]

AB Hammer weights can be connected by springs and gears and strings and they can flop around and fall again, and there is no "line" that determines because they are in a position below that line they would be universally unable to turn a wheel. You just trial and error your way into a scientific law on a subject like perpetual motion where there has been no recorded success yet. You are just most likely wrong about the 9 and 3. Give me a good reason why you keep believing it's like this.

preoccupied

Once weights come to there point of rest even for less than second. That is where the weight is going to react to the wheel or device at that time. Some say forward momentum solves the problem but you still loose a little each turn or my V-twin that is in my videos would have run forever. It did not. Here is another wheel design that I did that when drawn shows overwhelming overbalance, but when put into practice a harsh lesson was learned. I did it in 2008.

[ME]

Yes, and it can be calculated:
Weights need to be raised to cause overbalance (and torque), the CoM will be out by h/2pi for each weight being raised a total height of h per rotation). As such weight needs to go over its center of rotation (or horizon) it most likely lacks sufficient torque and needs speed (or stored potential) to overcome that problem.

For this design I eyeballed 120 degrees at best, still don't know what is meant by "incomplete simulation".

[preoccupied]

Actual force on the wheel is between the left and the right of the wheel because gravity pulls vertically down and exists horizontal. This is the levers relationship with its horizontal pressures. That is probably never going to be broken because it's a puzzle with no available paths. So the solution to Bessler's wheel is moving forces off of the axle, like motion without external force which pulls a lever off of its axle or a separate axle on a wheel creating independent force from the main axle that is powering the wheel. AB_Hammer you haven't explained why 3 and 9 is important instead of any other variation of lines, such as a horizontal line down the middle.

[AB Hammer]

AB_Hammer you haven't explained why 3 and 9 is important instead of any other variation of lines, such as a horizontal line down the middle.

preoccupied

It is simple. All hangs from the axle as far a gravity is concerned when it comes to a wheel. For instant, take a wheel and take one half off. The left over part will be hanging on/below the axle 9 to 3 line. You add the other half back on and you have a balanced wheel. You add a weight and it will end up in the 6:00 position. Now go back to the half wheel and add the weight on one end. It will not go to the 6:00 position but will balance off the axle at a tilt depending the weight of the half wheel. To a wheel to spin you have to have more weight above to make the shift needed to repeat. The next step is to look at the 9 to 3 line as a hanging swing or under mounted see-saw due to gravity on the wheel.

Hope this helps you out.

[WaltzCee]

Somebody once posted in here that the most difficult part of realizing Bessler's wheel would be over coming the people in here.

Well, now. Once upon a time a certain piece of crap said they were going to sit down and shut their cock sucker. However, we notice their cocksucker is still masticating.

So much for once upon a time. Their skanky spam sucking Norwegian trailer park dwelling ass has utterly destroyed that notion.

So here we are. What next?