Overbalanced wheels, a waste of time ?

[james kelly]

Gravity is a force created by the spining of the objects, as well as the magnetic attraction that two objects have for one another. This is demonstrated by gyroscopes. It is very easy to overcome natural gravity with gyroscopic action. jim kelly

[SeaWasp]

Gyroscopic action is a very intriguing concept! I have often wondered what effect spinning weights within a wheel, could have upon it's rotation!

Perhaps that was what Bessler was alluding to with his spinning top illustration on the toy page?

The spinning top I think in this case will flip over and spin in the shape of a mushroom. That is, it is top heavy as it is spinning. Bottom heavy when it is at rest. I know that it takes energy to spin an object, but in thhis case, it wouldn't be that hard to do with a simple geared & weighted lever. Bit like a bicycle mechanism?

Food for thought anyway. It would be great to see some experiments done in this area!

Spiros.

[ME]

What's conservative about gravity is the acceleration constant.

Actually the Acceleration by Gravity is not a constant:
a = G * M(earth) / (r*r)
btw: for our local environment 'r' is not the distance to the center of the earth as if the earth were a homogenic object, but can be approximated by making the earth size 1/3rd of it's current radius.


Gyroscope patent:
The use of a gyroscope to generate output power from the earth's stored inertial rotational (flywheel) energy by fixing the housing of the gyroscope to the earth and using the rotation of the earth relative to the gyroscope's spatially stable rotor/gimbal assembly to rotate the input shaft(s) of a power transducer(s).

[ken_behrendt]

James wrote:

Gravity is a force created by the spining of the objects, as well as the magnetic attraction that two objects have for one another.

When I studied physics back in high school and college, we were taught that the gravitational force acting between two bodies did not depend upon whether or not one or both of them was spinning. Also, we were taught that there is no connection between magnetism and gravitation.

However, I suspect that eventually, some one will find a connection between electric, magnetic, and gravitational fields and it may eventually be possible to create a gravity field artificially. That is, to create one without the necessity of having a mass present. Poor Einstein spent the second half of his life trying to theoretically find such a connection but was unable to do so.


As far as gyroscopes are concerned, they are fun to play with, but, with the exception of the gyrocompass and the devices used to stablize the motion of rockets, satellites, and space stations, I have not seen much developed from them.

Occasionally, one reads of gyroscopes being claimed to provide "inertialess" drive, but these claims quickly evaporate when the devices are carefully tested.


ken

[rlortie]

Quote from Jim_mich

Gravitational force is different on different planets, which proves it is not constant, but varies like the wind according to circumstances. As such there may be some way to harness this energy.

Gravity is also different here on earth. it goes from positive here at ground level to zero in an orbiting space station. Therefore it is a force that has gradient. It is said that anything with gradient has energy potential. Finding a way to Harness it is the problem, but should not be thought any different than Edison finding the right material for a light bulb.

Ralph

[Michael]

Me, it is constant and only changes when mass or energy are altered.

[Techstuf]

Ken wrote:

Also, we were taught that there is no connection between magnetism and gravitation.

There are more than a few errors which are purposely kept in front of the noses of students everywhere. And via T.V. and movies, in front of virtually everyone on the farm.


And teaching that there is NO connection between magnetism and gravity is directly analogous to teaching that light has nothing to do with radio waves.


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Mitch

[ME]

Me, it is constant and only changes when mass or energy are altered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_bulge

[Jon J Hutton]

I just wanted to pass this around concerning Asa Jackson's wheel. I was thinking over this not to long ago before serious work on Besslers wheel... anyway I put it on the wm2d and applied a motor and here are the results of torque. It eventually goes crazy because ....who knows. but the 2 or 3 revs it did gave these results. The wheel used, has to have two other motors that can eventually be exchanged for belts attached to the hub. Tell me what you think. It might have his theory and certainly not his design. I have also attached the drawing of the wheel. Its a crazy design. Thought I would post this while I'm waiting for the machine shop to finish their work.

The design is made of 4 wheels. You will have to take it apart using wm2d because there is no way to explain how it is put together.

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Jon...I've noticed that if WM2D comes up with the box that says, basically, "You have gone beyond the restraints of this program..." and you click "yes", to continue....You're accuracy rate just dropped to about 10-20%.....


Steve

[ken_behrendt]

I, too, am fascinated by Asa Jackson's wheel. Mainly, because, unlike Bessler's inventions which we only have illustrations and verbal descriptions of, we still actually have most of Jackson's wheel.

However, from what I can see of it, I do not think that its central driving mechanism was meant to rotate. Rather is looks like some sort of rocking system. I wish there was a good schematic of its parts available. I think I read on this Discussion Board last year that there was a book devoted to it with a lot of photographs. That's nice, but I would need to examine it in person to see how the parts fit together and move with respect to each other. I think the wheel is currently on display at a museum down in Kentucky, but I doubt if they would allow a PM device enthusiast to monkey around with it.


ken

[Wheeler]

John and all

You must have the full version of wm2d.
Is the posted file attachment a wm2d format?
Was not able to open to the demo package.
Ken were you able to open it?

[John Collins]

Ken, I have a copy of the book plus a CD of all the photos, kindly given to me by Dave Brown on a recent visit to Florida. I think that the remains are so complicated that no one can work out exactly what is supposed to do what. The problem was exacerbated by attempts to reconstruct the original several years ago and now we don't know what was intended and what has been wrongly assembled.

John Collins

[Wheeler]

John
Can you post any part of it for us to look at?

[ken_behrendt]

Wheeler asked:

Ken were you able to open it?

Yes...I had no problem opening it.


John wrote (with respect to Jackson's wheel):

I think that the remains are so complicated that no one can work out exactly what is supposed to do what. The problem was exacerbated by attempts to reconstruct the original several years ago and now we don't know what was intended and what has been wrongly assembled.

Darn! I was wondering why no one had gotten it working. I sounds like, in time, it will fade off into the dim mists of PM device history and thereafter remain in the realm of legend...


ken