BUOYANCY

[ovyyus]

Ramananda's "The dialogues at the castle of Weissenstein" has been discussed here before. It's a work of fiction.

[Dwylbtzle]

.......the question is,where was his village.

well, paying ME to guard the magic box that was watering the field
from the stagnant pool (no waterflow in the form of a powerful stream)
with no waterfall...
wouldn't work (i'd still pry my short sword in between two slats, some night, and look inside)
so you'd need a crew to watch the guard
and, even then, you'd need another team to watch THAT crew
so maybe it was a village completely made up of guards
working in constant shifts to watch the other guards
and, even then, the secret would still have gotten out
so
was that some imbellishment to the story to gussy up some truth, or partial truth, to maybe try and make it (the idea of a real wheel) more believable?

is this an indication the whole story from begnning to end is a fraud?

or was there really a wheel sitting out in a field in "my village"

seems like envious farm hands would gossip from village to village
if nothing else:
"Hey! How come THAT GUY has the free water pump and not us?"

[Dwylbtzle]

Ramananda's "The dialogues at the castle of Weissenstein" has been discussed here before. It's a work of fiction.

ok--that would explain it
even then, i guess, they had THEIR version of the tv news and the internet
(some [possibly vast] percentage being horse crap)
hehe

[rasselasss]

Thanks Ovyyus ,there is a lot of artistic licence and plagiarism on the WWW a good example is Wilki (Bessler apprenticed as a clockmaker)judging by the keyword lookup(clockmaker) on this site quite a few of us were under that impression.......Where i'm at at the moment is woodblock carving and copperplate printing,apparently once used they are set aside but on the cheap so to speak the practice existed of re-using by removing and insetting a different face,hands etc.which could explain the strange portrait of Bessler......also i've found a famous artist who came from Bessler's Zittau(his name was Bessler)born 25 years after Johann,anyway he invited another resident who was the son of a long line of woodblock carvers from Zittau to join him at Reubins studio .....as i said something or nothing........Good Luck......excuse spelling errors.

[Dwylbtzle]

nowadays, someone would write a "made-for-tv" "movie of the week",
call it "BESSLER! (The Wheel of Destiny)"
play it, once, on a wednesday evening at 8 o'clock, and say it was "based on true events--ripped from the headlines"
(which would mean--yeah--it was a work of fiction)
and there would be a love tringle worked in, and, possibly, a sexy vampire
and someone would be claiming the video camera, with the whole movie on it, was found next to the dead bodies

the sequel would be "THE BESSLER WITCH BURNING PROJECT"

[rasselasss]

How right you are Dwylbzle,i have never read a Biography or employment C.V. that did'nt contain lies for want of a better word........How different the youth of today,who question everything,........in my school days we were taught history from the biased point of view,good examples,that it was morally correct to "civilise"the american indians,the maori ,the aborigine,aztecs etc. ,no mention of the wrongs or unwanted intrusion and seizing and distribution of lands.Thankfully we live in a resemblence of an age of enlightment and true recognition, histories being corrected,unfortunately the harms inflicted irreversible........There are a lot of anomalies about Bessler's life and family which i am attempting to clarify without bias.....Good Luck.

[Dwylbtzle]

yeah--i thought we'd discovered something insurmountably fishy there--but if it was someone's work of fiction, incorporating bessler...

well, i doubt davy crocket really DID slide down a rainbow and jump on a lightning bolt and then rode it, bareback, to wring the tail off haley's comet
(as it was often CLAIMED he claimed, in frontier pulp literature), though he possibly COULD talk a raccoon down outta the tree...probably told it a story

[Furcurequs]

I used to ride my bicycle over to Davy Crockett's birthplace on occasion. After spending a few minutes checking out the replica of the log cabin in which he was born, I'd then go over to the river and hang out for a few more minutes before heading home.

I owned a coonskin cap back then too, but I didn't think to wear it while bicycling.

I remember one time it did start to get a bit stormy, but instead of waiting around to ride one of the lightening bolts, I chose to ride like the wind and get out of there instead.

Dwayne

[Dwylbtzle]

my only point being that if they had the pulp mill churning out tall stories about davy crockett and wild bill hickock like that (so much that no human could even LIVE long enough to do all the stuff that was claimed)
think how obscured by clouds any scrap of info about bessler must be now
to us here hundreds of years later
finding the truth would be like a needle in a haystack

[jim_mich]

Dwylbtzle,

We have John Collins to thank for researching the history of Bessler's wheel. He spent ten years combing through many of Europe's libraries and museum records in search of truthful historical records. He wrote most of that information into a book about Bessler and his wheel. Then he compiled a couple more books containing copies and translations of Bessler's own writings. If you don't have John Collin's books to read then you are missing most of the factual accounts about Bessler's wheel.

The documents that John collected show that Bessler was a real person, that he built four real wheels, that these wheels were self-turning, that they could do actual work of lifting weight, running a hammer mill, and pumping water. We have a number of eye witness accounts of the wheels. The only thing we do not have is how it operated.

So 300 years later we have a pretty good idea of what is true and what is later fiction. So the truth is not obscured. But there are a few internet sites that contain false or fictitious information. Those few sites don't reference where they obtained their information, so we assume they used poetic license to embellish their writings.

[Dwylbtzle]

yes--that's what it would take--someone like him doing a job like that

just reading the german subtitles from the era might not be all that real

[rasselasss]

Off topic,this is a massive site(scroll to bottom of the page,church records baptisms ,passenger lists,emigration to america etc. etc /census records )mostly translated to english,which would be useful to anyone searching German ancesters another useful source is the search engine in the L.D.S. site (worldwide records)....i wish i had ,had these facilities when searching Geneolgy many years ago,the time taken by people to collate and publish on-line truly wonderfull.

[rasselasss]

http://www.germanroots.com/emigration.html

[rasselasss]

This is an old site,i'm sure known by some members but none the less interesting

[rasselasss]

http://www.hp-gramatke.net/pmm_physics/index.htm