Trevor wrote:No Jim! step one is, provide a energy input to create the Centrifugal Force, the CF energy in not in the system at the start, and will have to be put into the system, if your system is closed where do you get this input! Creating the CF is step one!
Communication. With words we try to convey meaning. If you think one thought as you read my words, but I was thinking of a different thought, then we fail to communicate. Learn to look at what was trying to be communicated, rather than being picky about the words that were used.
Obviously a wheel that uses CF must be first started rotating. Only idiots would think different. But once rotation has begun, then there is a continuing cyclical process. And I was simply describing that continuing process.
So don't tell me I'm wrong. It is not my fault that you failed to understand my words. I tried to word it in as simple a manner as possible.
It irritates me when people talk down to me, and assume I don't understand things, and then they attempt to 'educate' me as to how things work.
I'm very intelligent. I was once accused of cheating on a simple aptitude test, because I finished in less than the allotted time and scored 100%. My list of accomplishments is very long and varied. I'm sure there are other members who have experienced equal or better achievements. I assure you I'm not a dumb bumpkin just off the turnip truck. I discovered my PM method by writing computer programs where the computer calculated and graphically displayed the motions of moving weights on a wheel. That is a very complex task. The math calculations told me it should work.
But I was still skeptical. I kept asking myself, where does the energy come from? If you don't understand the Maxwell's Demon principle, then you will never understand where the energy comes from. Also, if you fail to understand the non-conservative concept of kinetic energy, then you also will never understand where the energy comes from.
Now some might flame me for using the words, "non-conservative kinetic energy", but it is a fact. There is no Law if Conservation of
Kinetic Energy. Look it up! Kinetic heat energy is conservative. Kinetic heat energy is conservative with kinetic motion energy. But all kinetic motion energy is relative and is only conservative in a relative manner. Your body contains enough kinetic energy to smash you to pulp, if your body were to meet some object that is stationary relative to the universe. So, in such a case of pulverizing, does the energy come from your body or from the celestial object sitting stationary relative the universe? The answer is that the pulverizing energy is a function of the universe, and does not reside within either object. Kinetic energy is not of a fixed amount within a weight. It is only a relative amount. KE is a value relative to the motion difference of two weights. It magically appears only when the motion of one weight mass is directed against the motion of another weight mass.
The Conservation of Energy Law is a Thermodynamic Law concerned with conversion of heat to motion and motion to heat. It has been wrongly assumed to cover all situations.
