Since the AP drawing is symmetrical then if we want to find how the shape of the white areas are formed with geometry we could just start identifying and using nodes and intersections etc. I think I did that once but there was no real method behind it. Eventually we'd get down to smaller and smaller scale until a line matched I guess.
Should help the simple what-if scenarios without the needs for redrawing lines. Sometimes you just have to try something random.
The AP is assumed to be symmetrical because it initially sure looks that way... except for slight deviations, and that notch: which occurrence is either natural & accidental or intentional & part of some hint/code.
Attached is what happens when two copies get rotated 180°, and those rotated 90°, and those rotated 45°.
At 90° it may hint at MT135 -- Perhaps with misplaced(?) notches, but at least it has them.
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Remember he had to draw this actually tiny figure, by square and compass on paper, the on woodblock etc.. you know..So we need some pretty simple stuff..like just 3 and 5..
I am pretty sure he would have to draw it on paper and somehow transfer it to the wood otherwise it would all be mirrored when stamped.
Instead of his numbers Oystien I wonder if it is used in his MT’s to speed up of repetitive construction rather than measure. Cut the white triangles out and slots in the first middle ring then pin it to a corner/target through the middle. Does it speed up any construction up with just a pencil mark. I have two cut-up around the house somewhere. I will have to find them and give it a try.
Somebody said there is competing AP Wheel theories. I don’t see it that way they can co-exist and both be true. I could also be totally wrong. It is lack of observational skills or the battle of awareness just like the golden ratio usage. Now nobody objects when I say Phi is overused in in the drawings or maybe they just got tone deaf 8)))
I am sure there are many pet theories to the AP wheel. Still I haven't seen any that make any sense, except from JC's pentagon. By sense I mean, reasonable sense, taken the AP Book into account, the time it is written in, and how Bessler could have used it to his benefit in ANY way.
By benefit I mean, that it fits in to a perfect and consistent system, that could be used to confirm his legitimacy, rather than prove he is a doodling madman and therefor it must be leading us further into the material, derived from the former. And it must be understandable for "babies wearing diapers"..once laid bare on the table.
If a Apologia Wheel pet theory, does not lead us to the missing word in the middle of the page, it isn't the correct one, in my opinion. Bessler say that what is inside his art is behind the two blanks. - -
And if all, including his "doodles" doesn't stay consistent with this, it can't be true. Bessler must be able to prove by consistency and repetition, that once you are informed and shown there is no room for alternatives. It can't brake the chain..If so, it would be better to not apply a code at all.. He would just come out as a jerk..
"If a Apologia Wheel pet theory, does not lead us to the missing word in the middle of the page, it isn't the correct one, in my opinion. Bessler say that what is inside his art is behind the two blanks. - - "
It does you just are not aware how.
I have some interesting results from cutting out the white triangles. If you take a sheet of paper, starting on the left-hand side and take the AP wheel align the lefthand cut-out side up with the edge then take pencil and trace the line on the upper cut on the bottom one. You get his Phi triangle that he starts some of his constructions with. There is different set of triangles he can get. Not sure exactly how he references it. Hmmm...
"If a Apologia Wheel pet theory, does not lead us to the missing word in the middle of the page, it isn't the correct one, in my opinion. Bessler say that what is inside his art is behind the two blanks. - - "
It does you just are not aware how.
Yes I am aware of what "Devil" Bessler speaks of, and that is why I started this thread. Because I can follow up.. thus prove the former, and that all this thread will act as proof that we got there by willful intentions of the Author.
If you take notice, first of the top circle of my hat, then look at my medallion...
You see, a standing pentagon framed in a circle, is in a way the first simple "Baby-steps" to the Masonic Square and compass.
My guess is that this secret, The Royal Secret is The secret of Kings and Princes, that Bessler promised to never reveal, even though he wanted the wheel to be sold and public.
This is where I believe Bessler wanted to "trap" the Rosicrucians/Masons with recognizing their code-tradition..
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Oystein wrote:If a Apologia Wheel pet theory, does not lead us to the missing word in the middle of the page, it isn't the correct one, in my opinion.
Bessler say that what is inside his art is behind the two blanks. - -
And if all, including his "doodles" doesn't stay consistent with this, it can't be true. Bessler must be able to prove by consistency and repetition, that once you are informed and shown there is no room for alternatives. It can't brake the chain..If so, it would be better to not apply a code at all.. He would just come out as a jerk..
And what possible symbolism of the devil that his working mech resembles could he mean ? I know very little about this occult type stuff but I would hazard a guess at the upside down pentagram (but that's not a specific mech) or an upside down cross ? Both you guys are way more up on that than me.
Something very plain and direct, that can't be twisted..like I think the whole code has been on this page so far. You shouldn't need to wonder if this really was it..
I am just taking my time to evaluate if I will try to make a little story and background on the Devil part.. Or just tell who the devil is.. the latter often seems boring and takes the edge of it..
We must remember, it has been a public question for many years, openly available and discussed on the Internet.. None (publicly)has found him yet..So I think it deserves some kind of "wrapping"..
I say publicly, because I found out that some has broken this code..or at least recognized it and connected it to Bessler, and attributed the main RC code used by Bessler, to him, in a new code, now in modern times!!
A German artist, and a Shakespearean scholar.. The main formula used in AP and MT...reused..celebrating Bessler.. It gave me goosebumps..
So they acknowledge and celebrate he was an RC? (They still exist). Or are more of his own secret known? Who collected his torn apart wheel from his house? These thought arose..
Wrapping it up in a background story is interesting Oytsein :7) It gives greater context.
But I didn't know we were looking for a WHO ? I thought it was a WHAT.
If it is a WHO (the devils number) then my guess is NERO.
Then I'd have to look into things related to Nero's to find a WHAT symbol that might fit the bill, resembling Bessler's mech(s), if I've been following you correctly.
Oystein, I have some good news for you that you might enjoy. First off, allow me to apologize for any confusion, as it was never my intention to debunk your work. When I traced the AP Wheel, I had no idea where it would lead. That being said, I will be posting some findings in my AP Geometry thread that just might interest you. :)
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And what possible symbolism of the devil that his working mech resembles could he mean ? I know very little about this occult type stuff but I would hazard a guess at the upside down pentagram (but that's not a specific mech) or an upside down cross ? Both you guys are way more up on that than me.
On my part I never said anything about symbolism or that it lead to a mechanical device (because I don’t know), but not symbolism. I have always been straight forward when I have exhausted stuff or hit dead ends or thought everybody should know. Oystein and I took different paths.
Oystein:
Something very plain and direct, that can't be twisted..like I think the whole code has been on this page so far.
I never said a word on your AP wheel clues. I have no problems with what you found. I had a problem where it headed when it was tied to the poem/riddle.
You shouldn't need to wonder if this really was it..
Seriously? Are we not talking about secret codes, societies and a man hiding something from both? Think harder.
