Thx Machine II

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Thx4,
you wrote in an other thread

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This construction will create an swinging with an increasing amplitude.


What Georg does not say, who pulls the rope?
I also asked myself this question, and the answer is the wheel, or rather the axis of the wheel, which is slightly offset as shown on the sketches of B.
This is the theory, currently I get a good oscillation, and I think I will soon get an amplification. :)

@Fletcher, I looked carefully at the MT44/48, or you have plans that I do not have, I only have the Wiki and it seems very complicated, good luck.

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I think you have misunderstood what I like to show.

There are 2 drawings on one page, on the left hand you have a weight on a rope and someone is pulling and releasing the rope.
So you will get an amplification because you do the action.
I think you have made such experiments already.

The second drawing is a drawing with 2 weights, one is arranging the other.
The construction itself is stable at the beginning.
The second weight is forming a bow, look closely.
When you now give the pendulum the first push, pull it will automatically increase its amplificarion. No further push/pull from you is necessary.
The second weight is doing your work at the right time.
Periodic force against periodic force with an offset of 180 degrees.
It will be easy for you to proof this.

[thx4]

Hello to all,
@Georg, I don't think it will be easy even if...

The good thing is that I think like SPINOZA,
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza
there is no "hasard", "action/reaction". If we are here after 300 years it is because we have the intimate conviction that B, has built several times a machine that fascinates us. So I will persist because I have this intimate conviction that goes against everything I can believe elsewhere. lol

The dark side, I have some physics background, and "natural" self-amplification of any oscillation is not for sale on earth at this time.
You certainly have access to classified files, and I will take your word for it for a while. lol
In the immediate future, I'm reviewing the structure, with a dignified frame, inertia disk at the right speed, etc....

Sincerely JP

[thx4]

@Georg for explanation:
Maintenance of oscillations: some oscillators are self-sustaining (heart, clock), others are parametric (they require a modification of one of the quantities: the wire of the pendulum is shortened for example, cf. Botafumeiro). In all cases, energy must be supplied to them at the right moment: this is synchronous excitation.

https://youtu.be/WX5fKSw8ok8

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi thx4.
you have shown now that what i had shown in my picture on the left side. The human beings are pulling at the right moment the rope.

Now look again at the second part of the picture.
The second weight will pull on the rope.

Look again on your shown example, The human beings can not start the oscillation.
if they only pull an the rope, they can only amplify an existing oscillation.
If the pendulum is not swinging some degrees the human beings will only raise and lower the weight.

Now back again to my drawing.
Look that the 2.th weight are then human beings, the second weight, are hanging between the wall and the pulley.
The second weight is forming a bow between the wall and the pulley.
The second weight is setting the rope under additional stress.
All this is no problem for the system when it does not move.
you will have a static system.

The system will change from static to dynamic if you pull or push the pendulum. You excite the pendulum.
Now you have 2 energies which will interact.
when the pendulum is swinging the force on the rope is variating.
Always when the force on the rope is low, the second weight will pull.
The second weight will pull with an offset of 180 degrees.
Now you have Besslers function how you can lift 4 pounds with one pound.

You have all the materials, 2 weights, a rope, a pully and a wall will be all to prove that we can get the amplified oscillation.

you wrote:

In all cases, energy must be supplied to them at the right moment: this is synchronous excitation.

The shown example does exactly that. The energy is coming from gravity and is pulling at the right moment.

[thx4]

Hello to all,
a lot of experiments these last days, with a conclusion, the self-sustained oscillation of Georg does not work (with me, and many others).
So a pendulum is useless, if it doesn't have a direct function on the wheel, to lift or move a weight, to regulate the speed.
The motor is necessarily a weight that falls in a recurrent way.
Finally I come back to the MT13 :)
A little video of the new features

https://youtu.be/06jZiaWfpVs

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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/mB8Mq28UdjM

Intriguing this MT13 lol

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[Tarsier79]

MT13. Part of the problem is 6:00 to 9:00 each weight and its twin opposite provides a positive torque, 9:00 to 12:00 it provides a negative one.

ADD: I was a bit mistaken there. the overall 9-12 it is ballanced with the 3-6 weight. It starts off positive at 9, balanced at 10:30ish and negative towards 12.

[Gegyx]

Hello.
I see that it is positive from 7 a.m. to 12 p.m. But let it start to brake, when the cam lifts the first of the free trio; and until stopping with the third at 11 a.m.

[thx4]

MT13. Part of the problem is 6:00 to 9:00 each weight and its twin opposite provides a positive torque, 9:00 to 12:00 it provides a negative one.

Indeed I started by working in double, then (video to follow).
I modified the weights the arm is 1cm shorter and the weight is 100 grs against 50 grs previously (with the cam I thought I had better but no, almost identical). I remove the pendulum for the moment and I make tests of lifting. (smile).
I think it's a good idea to lock it at times and release it at other times.

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[thx4]

Hi everyone,
I'm testing a flat spiral spring, on an inertia disc...
For me this is the dark side of B, telling us that there are springs but not like you might think... (smile)
I like the idea that it could help to keep the pendulum going, it's a direction.




https://youtu.be/0UNX8o6_8Hw

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi thx4,
you have now created a damped oscillation.

In you construction the parasite which I have mentioned many times is missing.

You have everyting in your construction, only two weights, and it will run.

It is a 2 stage oscillation, if you don't see it.

The T is swinging and is taking the parasites with them.
But the parasites do not hold still, they make their own movement

[thx4]

Hi Georg,
This video is only visible from here:
https://youtu.be/awhYic9uYhQ
I have put as you see a simple T-balance with wire and weights:
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On the left wire length: 45 cm weight 104 grs
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On the right wire length: 28 cm weight 52 grs
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For the moment no amplification, if you want we will go to the end...
You can just give me the right figures :)

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[thx4]

[thx4]

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Thx4,
when you use different length and different masses you will get not a synchronized swinging of the weights. look at the swinging of each pendulum.
One oscillation is working gainst the other.

So please use the same length of the pendulum ropes and the same weights