Greg,
I appreciate your input, you stay open-minded contrary to others ..
While I know it's kind of hard to accept, this theory is as hard to accept as a perpetual motion machine is hard to accept for the scientific community, which makes it as valid or as invalid ..
The quantum world is smalland our classical version of it is large..
But they do derive from the same principles..
While nobody experienced a macro effect of quantum physics.. It's still probable by the definition of quantum mechanics that anything which is possible have a probability of happening ..
The chance of happening being small, it still is possible..
That's the whole point I am making ..
Maybe, when you don't see the mechanism but observe the effect, a certain arrangement or mechanism creates movement.. Because the internal parts are subjected to observation, or not subjected to rationalisation, then the anomaly cannot be destroyed..
Bessler might have interpreted this as god creation and couldn't even explain how it worked.. Don't look at it, it works,but uncovered the mech and it's just not working ..
God..
This is quite .. not me .. to believe in non-sense, while this is paradoxal, I believe in this ..
Murilo and Ant pushed me in this direction indirectly.. Ant have some fantastic theories on reality.. Murilo firmly believes in what you cannot feel..
You Greg, have an unbelieveable imagination, which is on par with mine..
What is reality !? .. What is physics?!
Physics is measurement, observation ..
The whole idea of Bessler mystery, is that you don't see the mechanism ..
Maybe it's the effect it had on me, but all those empty clues and non working MTs and nothingness suggest that it's really nothing that makes it turn ..
I might be mad, or this is the birth of a new process of conceptualization that happened to me, but from now on, I will do some "lateral thinking"..
;]
Quantum
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Who Says that!? I do experienced!! ;)While nobody experienced a macro effect of quantum physics.. It's still probable by the definition of quantum mechanics that anything which is possible have a probability of happening ...
Since then I still have no idea what happened to me at that very moment, or I am sick or what... but I tell you the story if you like...
It happened years ago with some buses (or what...?)
Where I live, there is a small hill with a nice block of flats at the top, and there is a bus stop. There are two roads, one goes up the hill, and comes down at the other side. At the bottom there is a gas station with another bus stop.
So, I was not far from the gas station, I waited for a friend, relaxed and just looked around... My friend didn't come for some time, so I began to smoke a cigar and count the buses going up the hill, I felt they come slowly... After some time and a few buses I noticed an older type of bus came & stopped at the bottom stop, then went up... Suddenly, I had a quite strange feeling I can't express, but it was like a tingle or something coming up slowly through your spine up to your scruff, but it wasn’t bad, it was nice. I began to feel that my senses become very clear, especially my auditory sense. I turned my back on the bus stop and by my eyes, I followed the old bus going up the hill. It moved quickly away from me and disappeared in the next bend. I focused my new sense on the sound of the engine, and I heared it for a while, for a much longer time than usually I am able. Finally I lost the sound. There was some seconds passed, and surprisingly I began to hear it again! However this time it was coming from the back...
I turned around back to the bus stop, and noticed that an other bus just arrived and staying there. It looked like exactly the same as the other just went up. I watched it thoughtfully as it stopped, people get on & off, then the bus began to go up... And at the same moment one more bus appeared from the previous bend and arrived at the stop, from where the other just.started to go uphill. I saw two old type bus for some seconds as far as the one going up disappeared in the next bend. The third one followed it...
So yes, I saw three old type bus went up the hill, but I though that something is not correct, they came too early after each other. I see three like buses in three minutes, but buses don’t come as often here... I had the weird thought that the three bus was actually only one, so I began to carefully count the buses coming down from the hill.
After a few minutes a new type of bus came down which went up before my strange affair with the three old ones. Then I waited and I was a little bit perplexed but otherwise I felt well... More & more time passed, and finally I saw an old bus coming down.
But there was only one... I waited for at least half an hour there before my friend arrived, and I could count only one fucking old bus came down! I saw three going up, and only one coming down!! And when my friend arrived we walked around the hill and checked that there were no more old buses anywhere...
It was probably the most weird thing ever happened to me...
The problem with this is the fact that I was Ok at that moment, in good condition, relaxed, and I didn’t drink before the accident, as well as I don’t use any drugs, and otherwise I only drink alcohol sometimes.
So the point is, that the whole observation was not like a vision, nor like a dream. It was like reality when you go near a bus stop and count the buses. Nothing special, except that for some reason my senses became three times sharp & clear, and the thing is really just happened to me. I really saw those buses with my own eyes. The action, the whole observation were very continuous, I didn’t notice any cut off of moment or anything... The three buses were really three, and they were quite normal, but only one came down after, and I felt it before it happened.
So, I am unable to explain what happened, it was partly similar to the black cat deja-vu effect in the movie Matrix. But in my case, it was the real world, very real & not just a movie! And I still have no idea what was the thing / effect I observed...
So LIB,
If you’re mad, I’m sure to be the ultimate winner in the ’insane’ category... 8-]
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re: Quantum
may I have one of those cigars, please. :)