MT24 Ralph. It's the drawing with the German on it that I asked about.
Ya know, that's one thing I think has ben missing in OU/Pm discusions, a sense of humor like yours :)
But until I have the opportunity to test the idea I like, I might as well take a break and relax.
Thanks for the laughs.
Jim
rlortie wrote:Jim of Washington,
Well here we go again!
Dang, that just might work.
What just might work and who are you telling this to????
Do you now if someone has built one to test it yet ?
Built What? Test what?
And why do you enclose a previous quote where the pertinent matter was specifically meant for you, it has your name on it? We have already seen it.
DrWhat wrote:Have a look at the ORIGINAL MT13, all the letters are upside down except the letter A. Maybe this is Bessler being funny about "unlucky 13".
It is important that any duplications of the images are very accurate. But I must compliment the work involved in redrawing the images.
How is this for a duplication of MT 13, It will open in "Real Player" as default.
I had to keep hitting the play button to animate it. This is not bad as it gives you the opportunity to see that you are lifting six weights with five plus attempting to leverage one up. Also check out the PDF version.
I keep looking at the original of MT 24 and thinking maybe we are looking past the 3d aspect. If the middle legs were springs and they went sideways as the weights went down charging the spring. There is no mechanical advantage, but it could be a good candidate for his secondary system. In his drawings some of the middle legs are some what curved...why? He must had a reason?
[edit by scott: ugh. I reduced this image file size by 50% using the free webresizer http://www.webresizer.com/resizer/ , this is getting old]
Hey Dax....kind of fond of these MT's myself. I messed around with them awhile back ago on WM2D, here is MT24. The thing that these two have in common with say, MT's 9-12....they are a "drop down" type of design.....the weights/arms "drop down" on the descending side to a point where the "connectedness" occurs. The earlier ones use a mallable source for the connections and MT24 and 25 are using rigid connections, but the basic operation is the same.
Steve
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Hey Dax.....here's another one. I came across it while loading the other image. It is a take off of MT25....I just used a slot joint on one of the arms instead of having it open and close from the perimeter. I just wanted to see what the impact might provide.....not enough to get it over the hump!
Steve
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Very sorry Scott... forgive me... I didn't even look, pulled it off your site and added some paint. Just assumed...we know where that gets people. I would like to tell you it will never happen again, but me and this computer are mortal enemies.
Thanks alot Steve. Still thinking about getting it to load the spring to the side or a little of both.
Yes, the MT's are interesting. Has anyone noticed that bessler hints at 4 degrees, right from Mt 1 through to the Apologia wheel. Not much of a degree displacement... anybody have any ideas?
Yes, it's the optimal AoA [angle of attack] for an aerofoil at cruise speeds but I don't think this is the relationship you are looking for ;)
It might help if you showed what you consider his hints at 4 degrees were ?
Speaking of aerodynamics.....it might be an interpretational issue, but I have noticed how Bessler refers to the weights as "rising"....i.e., the rise and fall of the weights......they must rise once again...and such like that. He doesn't seem to say lifted, lifting....or anything that would refer to the work being done. Might be a big whoopee doo, it's just interesting how he refers to this aspect....
Hey Dax....I could use a little enlightenment on the 4 degree aspect.
Steve
Finding the right solution...is usually a function of asking the right questions. -A. Einstein
I believe the 4 degrees is for a quicker flip of a weight. If a weight on an arm is on the ascending side and is is 4 degrees toward the center it will fall on time.
"Our education can be the limitation to our imagination, and our dreams"
Sorry guys, I shouldn't have mentioned it, I am out of town and left my bessler notes at home.
But what I can remember in mt 1 the degrees between the dotted line and horizontal is 4 degrees and Bessler talks needing a slope in his notes.
Lots of his levers sit at 4 degrees as in MT 19, ect
In the Apologia wheel if you blow it up print it, then degree the angles you find they change 2 degrees each way for a variant of 4. I believe, it was 18 to 22.
There was many others that caught my eye, and a few in the pictures. Maybe I am just looking too hard. ;)))
Hey Steve .. Bessler generally chooses his words carefully - your example is no exception - where he chooses to use an alternative, less appropriate or specific description [than he could otherwise do], imo shows that he is being deliberately vague for a reason - that reason is to stay within the bounds of truth but not tell the blunt truth - for example, if he were to say the weights 'floated' up would get everybody's immediate attention, just as if he were to say, the weights must be 'lifted & fall' which would indicate mechanical advantage from gravity.
