BUOYANCY

[murilo]

Would an avalanche drive work if it were a buoyancy device? It would go back wards.

Yesssss!
Lots of 'cans' rising with air pumping, while a few sink in line, passively in a chain - also with acceleration!
In a description I did, a full tank of oil was submerging the under wheel, in order to get lubrication, dissipate some heat and absorb some noise.
Of course, soy oil... or other vegetable, of course... 8)
Best!
M

[Mikhail]

The enclosed patent is on a "buoyancy demonstrating apparatus" and demostrates exactly what buoyancy can do to rotate a wheel... nothing.

www.google.com/patents/US3412482

This can't work!


And this yes: http://www.casimages.com/f.php?f=101004040640327824.doc

[nicbordeaux]

You guys need a washing-up tub half full of water, six pingpong balls with small neo mags and a keel weight to stop 'em turning and sticking together, and two bigger neo mags one on N and one S mounted on a freely horizontal rotating arm under the tub. If you can work out which mag is the prime mover, please drop me a line. I've has some interesting experiments with this scaled down version of the tilting bathtub with 87 pingpong balls device. Especially when directing concentrated sunligh to the pingpong balls via a cheapo Fresnel lense.


Eppur si muove

[Jim Williams]

Not until the scales of justice can't ever be caused to balance; will a wheel remain perpetually unbalanced, generating output.

[rasselasss]

A rough sketch of a thought based on Daan's wheel floating in a bath of mercury earlier in this thread.........i have no experience of mercury...and wonder would this turn a wheel....in the sketch the wheel is static but given a push start would c/f displace the mercury and assist the turning moment of the wheel or upset the idea...just a thought.

[daanopperman]

rasselasss ,

I do not believe the maestro did not knock you over , first of all , maybe you know it , mercury is very x 2 dangerous , not many years ago a little girl in U.K. almost died because of it being in her playroom carpet left by the previous owner . It is nice to play with , but never spill it , you can't retrieve all of it , it is like J.B. said "poltergeist walk through locked door " . It will kill or make you very sick over a long period .

A thought on a spherical vessel , nothing inside can move to a different location , except when spun vertically on it's axis , the liquid inside will rise and the ball will descend to the mercury surface . If tilted , rolled everything inside will remain in it's original orientation , even centrifugal force will not change it ( in it's total , the ball will always be on top floating even horizontal as in c/f . )

Attached is a thought on displacement of fluid , it was a link from someone . Tank 1 is filled with liquid , will drain into tank 2 , pressurising it and forcing liquid in tank 3 to flow into tank 4 , if inverted , every thing will happen in reverse . It was invented in ancient times but not to be inverted . When you pour liquid in a shallow tray it would have a pipe where liquid would sprout from as in a fountain , all bottom tanks would have been hidden , as in the rh drawing .

[Dwylbtzle]

i believe (believe, don't KNOW) that if any system is using buoyancy to do something and then has to reset that something
yer just back to the conservation of energy
(now, i'm talking about PM here--not tapping wave energy--tapping wave energy is great and DOES work)
but THE PRINCIPLE of what buoyancy does
makes "buoyancy" the key ( or A key--for a certain system--not a wheel)

i can say no more

i could be wrong but if yer actually using a BUOY you might as well be using a bowie knife (pronounced the same way, if spoken correctly--not how david b. has it)
but i could be wrong, totally wrong, possibly, about THAT--what do I know? not dissing anything or anyone here or any idea y'all got that maybe i can't see yet
just sayin'

i can say no more

you gotta find something that uses what buoyancy does
and doesn't need to reset anything

i could say more

[Dwylbtzle]

The enclosed patent is on a "buoyancy demonstrating apparatus" and demostrates exactly what buoyancy can do to rotate a wheel... nothing.

www.google.com/patents/US3412482

This can't work!


And this yes: http://www.casimages.com/f.php?f=101004040640327824.doc

yes--agreed
i personally can't think of how to use buoyancy with a wheel
MAYBE--(and maybe that's what bessler used), but i sure can't see it--and i would say he probably didn't use that

if you use a wheel something always has to be reset
(and i believe it can be done--but not with buoyancy)
and if you can use buoyancy you have to do it with something that doesn't (need to be reset)
(and i believe there is something-but not a wheel)
if there is a General Principle with a capital GP
which would be stated as "Gravity Can Be Tapped"...
like as with any other capital P Principle:
you would ne doubt be seeing more than one way to implement it, (generally)

[murilo]

i believe (believe, don't KNOW) that if any system is using buoyancy to do something and then has to reset that something
yer just back to the conservation of energy
(now, i'm talking about PM here--not tapping wave energy--tapping wave energy is great and DOES work)
but THE PRINCIPLE of what buoyancy does
makes "buoyancy" the key ( or A key--for a certain system--not a wheel)

i can say no more

i could be wrong but if yer actually using a BUOY you might as well be using a bowie knife (pronounced the same way, if spoken correctly--not how david b. has it)
but i could be wrong, totally wrong, possibly, about THAT--what do I know? not dissing anything or anyone here or any idea y'all got that maybe i can't see yet
just sayin'

i can say no more

you gotta find something that uses what buoyancy does
with no solid actual object--like a buoy
and then use it in a way (and i only know of one or two) that doesn't need to be reset

i've said too much

Yes!
At this moment, finally I agree with you:
YES! YOU SAID ALREADY TOO MUCH! 8(

[Dwylbtzle]

well, if you really feel that way
then kindly delete the part i edited out, please
hehe

(i'm serious) yer right--that last bit was too dangerous to be a blabberin'

oh well
this is all gonna come out sooner or later anyway
probably soon
and i don't care who joins in to help get it out
it's just that, morally, i only wanna take responsibity for what i can deal with and take resposibility for
so if i blab too much, i've handed over my responsibilities to WHO KNOWS WHO?

right now i'm just leaving clues
in case i die soon
which (depending on what you mean by soon)
will still be "soon"
and explaining to people that they probably woulda found out they already agreed with me on tons of things
if they hadn't have assumed i was just another "trick the wheel and make it spin with gravity alone (thru the miracle of crafty wizbang gymcrak internal gizmos)" kinda guy
but i understand y'all have been tortured to distraction with those guys
so i forgive everyone
hehehe

everything's gonna be fine, eventually
i read the end off the book

(chewed it off, actually)

[Dwylbtzle]

You guys need a washing-up tub half full of water, six pingpong balls with small neo mags and a keel weight to stop 'em turning and sticking together, and two bigger neo mags one on N and one S mounted on a freely horizontal rotating arm under the tub. If you can work out which mag is the prime mover, please drop me a line. I've has some interesting experiments with this scaled down version of the tilting bathtub with 87 pingpong balls device. Especially when directing concentrated sunligh to the pingpong balls via a cheapo Fresnel lense.


Eppur si muove

i didn't understand a word you just said but if you just said yer trippling or quadrupling down on things other than 'JUST gravity with internal flibertigibit rube goldberg gizmos to trick it'
by also using magnets and sunlight and buoyancy and magic rubber duckies
and not using a wheel then i say yer probably so right on!!!

bravo
watch this guy!
this could be yer guy!


(isn't that pretty? that's called "tomato")
:)
not red, THIS is red

THIS IS SALMON
(i got it from salmon rushdie)


[ah elbereth gilthoniel]

[Dwylbtzle]

murilo--(me buoyo),
as i said, i could be wrong EASILY--if so, it's surely because:
along the lines of what jimmich was saying--as soon as i see a buoy i think "wart floats up: must drug down" or vice versa
in a system where anything is repeating and has to be reset
and it seems like (in my mind) something like the old buggaboo that comes with resetting the weights in a wheel after you got the fulcrum effect
so you can get it again
gotta be paid for
but this means NOTHING, just that i don't see it yet
:)
in fact the fact that i don't see it YET may well be the commendable of it
hehe
my brain may just be prejudiced
i always SAID bessler MAY have used buoyancy in some way--as he had to use SOMETHING other than just straight gravity--i just think he used somethin else...but if he did--a buoy could be something he came up with to do one function in the system
or something buoy like or buoy ish
he'd just have to find that mechanism that does his resets or reLIFTS or whatever you wanna call it
because i defy the stand alone, merely internal gizmo-driven, straight up gravity only wheel
if i see one i will bite it
he had to have a CHEAT in there, SOMEhow--but it coulda been a free energy cheat
and buoyancy is exactly that--and a real and valid one absolutely
because it's....wait for it...TAPPING GRAVITY!
maybe indeed buoyness did give him his buoyancy (if that's what he used)
so if he did it one way-yer way may be doing something similar, sure
just another way --why the hell not?
once again...what principle ever only had one manifestation or application?
all i know..and i'll say it again: i think the buoyancy boys are on to something

you gotta have the "CHEAT" and buoyancy could be a cheat in some system
here's what i mean:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... p?p=101512

[Dwylbtzle]

http://u2.lege.net/John_Keely/keelynet. ... 002641.htm

Why won't it work Dwy ?

oh it clearly does--an actual working gravity engine--invented by a child inventor--who kept inventing!

and gee--it uses levity (buoyancy)

and hey! nicbordeaux
look! it uses magic rubber duckies (ping pong balls)
(which ARE just little buoys, after all)



ah elboreth gilthoniel

[Fletcher]

Actually that was a question to you not a question by me.

[Dwylbtzle]

oh yes
i got that right off the bat
you were being nice
yer beautiful baby!
i owe you 20 trillion dollars, clearly

you shall not lose yer reward!!!!

man that post was just one guy collaborating with another one
here
one stinking time
who knows what else the bunch of us in here could come up with
don't worry about the ky jelly kid

the bfd model i describe in various places here uses his main principle
but is way more powerful than much of anything they could make with that idea
and doesn't need any magnetic ferrofluids
though that stuff is BITCHEN

it proved that the thing which i didn't even care a whit about if it worked
works

and i was just using that first wheel idea as a hypothetical model
which i thought couldn't work
a THROWAWAY!
an example to get people to take notice of (because it would allow them to be able to SEE) the principles of and concepts behind the next two things i described
so that's all just icing on the cake
but it's the Fletcher/Dweeb wheel fer sure fer sure
the wheel that works!