Bessler Used 120 Small Weights To Add Up To One Big One

[sleepy]

Ok axel,
So I think you're saying that the CF on a vertical wheel,because of gravity,will be slightly different on the descending side.You think it will be more pronounced.That sounds plausible.Gravity will lend it's force,making CF appear stronger from 3 to 6 o'clock.Now please just say what is on your mind.The constant bickering on this forum is SO counterproductive.

[agor95]

Quite correct sleepy

There are three gradients each 120 from each other.

Either I keep on doing the M. Turbine III maths.

Or I do a demo of M. Turbine II

That is the device simulation/demo of the above quote.

[axel]

Admitting here that the already patented thing I was using doesn’t work because it’s not made for doing what I’m doing with it. It is not precision enough and wore out after only about 75-100 cycles.
Can do it a different way. Something I’ve tried before. Just need to add a part that equalizes things.

[axel]

HAPPY NEW YEAR! A little late I know. Been busy. I'm still around.

What got me going on my continuing path to glory, was something with the rpm and diameter of Bessler's wheels.

Working up to making a 11 foot long rotating torsion box to attach only one mechanism at each end. There will be a weight at each end also. One on one side and one on the other to balance the beam across its width.

I thought this would be easier than building an 11 foot diameter wheel with 12 mechanisms and 5 lb weights.

The weights at the ends above, will be about 30 pounds. 12 x 5 lbs = 60. So there. A wheel condensed to just two weights.

You all can calculate the torque yourselves. Imagine a seesaw 11 feet long, with a 30 lb weight at each end, and the center balance is 1.5" off. That's all I can get out of it.

BTW my shop has a 12 foot ceiling in one room.

[spinner361]

Interesting. I'm trying to make my wheel as small as possible.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi spinner361,

a small wheel will not work,
because you can not generate the necessary speed difference between up and down.

If you like to make it very small, then you must be a clock maker, and you will need the really precision tools.

[agor95]

axel - building is always harder than simulation. It is good the direction you are on.

any pictures etc.

Good Luck

[spinner361]

Georg: As small as "possible". Oh, now I want to make a really small one, even though it won't achieve my goals for horsepower. Tell me what else I can't do :-)

[Georg Künstler]

Hi spinner361,

if you think you can make it very small, then do it, it is your choice.

the output power of the wheel has in minimum 3 conditions.

1. the output is depending on the internal weights which you use

2. the output is depending on the length of the lever arms, to create the torque.
The length of the lever arm is limited to the diameter of the wheel,
if you like to create a wheel.

3. the output is depending on the frequency of the swinging inside of the wheel. Repetition cycle.

So if you like to build it small, the the friction will win.
This are my opinions, maybe I am wrong, and you know it better.

[spinner361]

Georg, that's a good point. The more lightweight it is, the ratio of friction to output increases. Thanks for your reply.

[axel]

Axle support.
Sorry. Tried rotating the image but it always comes in sideways.

[silent]

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[axel]

Thanks!

I’ve got a cast iron 10� dia. V-pulley that will slide on the shaft. Then the beam will be slid on in front of that and fastened with 1/4� bolts through holes drilled in the spokes. Keeps everything perpendicular to the shaft an cuts out wobble.

[axel]

Have decided to add some form of anti air resistance to the leading and following edges of the rotating beam.

[Art]

HAPPY NEW YEAR! A little late I know. Been busy. I'm still around.

What got me going on my continuing path to glory, was something with the rpm and diameter of Bessler's wheels.

Working up to making a 11 foot long rotating torsion box to attach only one mechanism at each end. There will be a weight at each end also. One on one side and one on the other to balance the beam across its width.

I thought this would be easier than building an 11 foot diameter wheel with 12 mechanisms and 5 lb weights.

The weights at the ends above, will be about 30 pounds. 12 x 5 lbs = 60. So there. A wheel condensed to just two weights.

You all can calculate the torque yourselves. Imagine a seesaw 11 feet long, with a 30 lb weight at each end, and the center balance is 1.5" off. That's all I can get out of it.

BTW my shop has a 12 foot ceiling in one room.

By the sound of it Alex , I think this experiment is going to prove pretty conclusively the value of attempting to cause rotation by overbalancing weights across the diameter of a balanced rotation system .

I hope when you have completed it ( and if it turns out negative ) to see how you are achieving the the weight movement . I like torsion bars !

There is nothing wrong with a 1.5 " size in my figuring ( providing you are measuring it across ! : ))

All the best with it ! .