Darrell Vandusen Poll

[trevie]

I've not voted yet, but will in a moment. I did say that you could ignore him, but this didn't occur to me: if too many people click his ignore button, then it will be as if he were banned, and what would stop him then from abandoning that username for lack of attention and making a new one? It'd be the same cat and mouse game as an actual ban. So I propose that he be banned and the cat and mouse game be played until he is convincted for fraud (they don't have internet access in Canadian prison I assume?).

Well if you were going to ignore him, does this mean you won't see any of his messages that are posted on this board? You never know what he might be talking about, behind your back. I think best it would be better to ban him and go all the way or not to do it at all.

[Michael]

Oh my god,

>I lost the plot with him when he tried to convince me the reason it didn't work was because it was summer and therefore it effected the wheel, he reckoned it needed to be freezing for it to work.

Darrel, Darrel, you have got to be the worst and the luckiest con artist going.

Michael

[scott]

What about something like this Scott? http://www.easypooltutor.com/modules.ph ... ile=faq#36

Thanks for the tip, Smith. That looks like the perfect reputation system for our site. I had never seen it available online before, so I contacted the owner of the site and found out that he wrote it himself. After a little cajoling, and mentioning that I myself have contributed a mod, he agreed to share it with me.

The problem is that when he was writing the code, he didn't capture and document the reputation system as a set of changes that can be shared with other phpbb users (this is called writing a "mod").

So he has agreed to try to write a mod for his reputation system, and I have offered to help. and that's where it stands.

I'll keep you posted.
-Scott

[Ed]

I'm sorry Scott, I thought it was a mod that was available. Well, great job on the cajoling. :-)


-Ed

[ovyyus]

I think the recent activity by Vandusen in the fraud forum proves that he is only interested in using this board as a means to solicit more fraudulent funding.

IMO, he should not be allowed to use BesslerWheel.com to further aid his scamming activities.

[ovyyus]

It amazes me that the above poll has attracted 16 votes from members who would like to see the obviously fraudulent Vandusen banned from this board, yet he still has only two negative notches on his rep bar!

Two negative notches represents somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of Scott's required 50% of 25 participating members = 12 votes needed to ban him. That means that only about 6 to 8 participating members have so far given VANDUGEGS a negative rep vote.

We have an opportunity to show these leeches that they can't waste our time with their con tricks. Are we just going to shrug it all off and do nothing!?

I'm sorry, it just really gets to me when I see a way for us to send out a message to these proven bastard wasters and all their buddies that we won't tolerate them - then we don't act.

By doing nothing they win and others might think we don't care - unless we vote!

[Michael]

I of all people should be clicking to ban him. The reason I haven't is because if he is banned and if he goes away will the chance for him to redeem himslef by giving back Judd and Clarkies money also go with him?
I think Darrel is a con artist, no secret to my thoughts there. It seems like he might have been sincere at one time in his perpetual motion experiments though. I've heard from skeptics of people who started out with good intentions but have turned out bad from failure after failure. I guess wanting to reap something from their efforts have resorted to conning people. I never fully thought that I'd see this, I always thought if someone was to con someone else they started out this way. His built wheels seem to indicate he really was sincere at one time. Can someone who started out sincere, went went off course, do the right thing and go back to being sincere?
Will Darrel redeem himself?

Michael

[Ed]

His built wheels seem to indicate he really was sincere at one time

Unless it's a "prop". :)

[ovyyus]

Will Darrel redeem himself?

You're kidding? He won't ever give anything back to anyone. He's a demonstrated liar and thief who even denies he did anything wrong! Therefore the answer could only be a resounding no.

I also note that he no longer frequents the board - doesn't look like he's contemplating a change of heart to me. Redemption... that's hilarious, good one Mike :D

[rlortie]

His built wheels seem to indicate he really was sincere at one time

Unless it's a "prop". :)

Darrell if you are out there and read this think about it. Ed makes a good point and one that you should consider.

I am not calling your work a prop, but the fact that almost all of the pictures you have allowed to be posted are pictures of a picture on a TV screen, makes it hard to substantiate. This is quite evident and not hard to see.

Although I am convinced that some of the individual components pictures I have viewed are real, it does not answer the question "Is it a prop", or does it belong to some one else whose pictures you are showing. My point being, if it is your work then why did you not film it and post without the glare off of an edited tv monitor. This question alone is enough to cause considerable doubt in the forum.

In writing this I do not feel as I have jepardized your trust in me, as it has all been open discussion in the past.

Yes I do feel that you were sincere at one time but relied on inertial and kinetic forces by using to much weight. this lead to you becoming over optimistic. You sold yourself to the believe that you had found the answer. You were so convinced and enthusiastic that you were able to convince others that it was worth investing in.

Now you are considered a con artist, as an individual I have not labeled you one way or the other.

As mr Tim has implied. If it was your enthusiasm and not deliberate fraud that got you into this mess, simply make amends with those you convinced to the point of costing them what they invested. I do not mean just paying them back as this may be futile in your present financial position. A word of apology and a statement such as "sorry fellows "we" thought I had it but it does not work" would be a good start to the road of recovery. I emphisise the ''we'' as those involved must have thought you had it too.

With out some sort of acknowledgment then, I too will be inclined to believe, you pulled a fast one with premeditated attempt

Ralph

[Michael]

Will Darrel redeem himself?

You're kidding? He won't ever give anything back to anyone. He's a demonstrated liar and thief who even denies he did anything wrong! Therefore the answer could only be a resounding no.

I also note that he no longer frequents the board - doesn't look like he's contemplating a change of heart to me. Redemption... that's hilarious, good one Mike :D

Well, the first sentence I wrote was for anyone reading it. The rest of the message was a subtle device aimed at Darrel with the intent of provoking a response. I thought that it was obvious. I was trying to feed some guilt into his phyche. If htere is a little bit of a chance at all of Darrel coming and doing the descent thing I would take the chance in trying to bring it out of him. There's not much of a chance of that happening now though. Yes, of course Darrel is a pathetic liar. Like I mentioned to you before he had been fishing at least a year from my own knowledge (who knows how long actually) before he made his identity known on here and If you go and carefully review the message preceding his "arrival" you'll see why he came here. Feeding him hate is only going to make him go away feeling justified at hating everyone else and no one will ever have any chance of getting anything back at all. Your probably right though that there's not a chance in hell he'll give anything back. Not that I doubted, but I hoped. Darrel is ignorant in a wide area. He has got to be the shitiest con artist I have ever seen, his lines are terrible, but maybe that's why he was effective. That being said, if Darrel has converted to full time con man you don't really think he is going to go away do you? Instead of these perpetual hate messages why not just convince those that have suffered from him to take him down by reporting him?


Ed, sure we don't know if it was a prop or not. I do know that it takes time and a lot of money to make a physical structure. Darrel seems to have made several but as Ralph said who knows if they were his or not. Still, if they were, knowing of people who went to see him gives me the impression he doesn't have money to burn to make these things for the small hope of conning people out of a few dollars more than what he put into the structures. Originally that is.

I am unversed in net shorthand, can someone tell me what :D and :P are ?

Mike

[Michael]

Will Darrel redeem himself?

You're kidding? He won't ever give anything back to anyone. He's a demonstrated liar and thief who even denies he did anything wrong! Therefore the answer could only be a resounding no.

I also note that he no longer frequents the board - doesn't look like he's contemplating a change of heart to me. Redemption... that's hilarious, good one Mike :D

Well, the first sentence I wrote was for anyone reading it. The rest of the message was a subtle device aimed at Darrel with the intent of provoking a response. I thought that it was obvious. I was trying to feed some guilt into his phyche. If there is a little bit of a chance at all of Darrel coming and doing the descent thing I would take the chance in trying to bring it out of him. There's not much of a chance of that happening now though. Yes, of course Darrel is a pathetic liar. Like I mentioned to you before he had been fishing at least a year from my own knowledge (who knows how long actually) before he made his identity known on here and If you go and carefully review the message preceding his "arrival" you'll see why he came here. Feeding him hate is only going to make him go away feeling justified at hating everyone else and no one will ever have any chance of getting anything back at all. Your probably right though that there's not a chance in hell he'll give anything back. Not that I doubted, but I hoped. Darrel is ignorant in a wide area. He has got to be the shitiest con artist I have ever seen, his lines are terrible, but maybe that's why he was effective. That being said, if Darrel has converted to full time con man you don't really think he is going to go away do you? Instead of these perpetual hate messages why not just convince those that have suffered from him to take him down by reporting him?


Ed, sure we don't know if it was a prop or not. I do know that it takes time and a lot of money to make a physical structure. Darrel seems to have made several but as Ralph said who knows if they were his or not. Still, if they were, knowing of people who went to see him gives me the impression he doesn't have money to burn to make these things for the small hope of conning people out of a few dollars more than what he put into the structures. Originally that is.

I am unversed in net shorthand, can someone tell me what :D and :P are ?

Mike

[trevie]

I am unversed in net shorthand, can someone tell me what :D and :P are ?

what you see is expression or emotions that originate from the early years of IRC chat rooms or emails.

:D is meant to look like a smile or grin. tilt your head to the left to get the picture.

:P is similar but its associated with tongue sticking out, but its open to interpretation.

[ovyyus]

Instead of these perpetual hate messages why not just convince those that have suffered from him to take him down by reporting him?

It's true, I hate fraudsters. I think they are parasites that turn the good will of others into dreary cynicism. I just hate seeing them trying to suck blood in a corner that I care about.

Reporting him is a waste of time. Scott has given us the ability to act. Voting these leeches off our board is the best we can do.

[rlortie]

I also am illiterate in net shorthand, what do's IMO stand for?

As for Darrell some seem to think he is gone and will not respond. I on the other hand think we have had a new alias on the board since approx the second week of last month.

That is all I can afford to input at this time without more substantial proof, please do not ask to whom I am refereing to. Some of you that have dealt with Darrell should have no problem adding this together.

Ralph