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[WaltzCee]

yes 19 years

He considers Newton's laws to be incomplete. I'd agree. I don't think there's a need for another law.
The issue is a philosophical one.

Science can't bring itself to believe in the uncaused cause.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

Ever since I SIM'ed some weird mechanics, I noticed Newton's 3rd law needed to be revised. It's not always true.

[eccentrically1]

I’m not sure that’s what georg meant. If he ever shows up again, maybe he can enlighten us.

[WaltzCee]

I did a little studying and what I found to be useful is to replace the terms action/reaction with the term force.

Newton's 3rd law certainly applies when some mass is moved in an attempt to imbalance a wheel. Anyone who has modeled has come up against that wall of counter-force or counter-torque.

Yet when you're analyzing vectors in a rotating frame, things get a bit weird. Wavy gravy.

These forces need to be managed. I intend to describe how in the book, if I go that route.

When I first began to look at this problem I was very excited. Now, not so much. I could care less, especially if I'm going to have to work my pa·too·tie off to get recognized and paid.

Of course, my ideas might not even produce anything. I'm not even motivated to build.

[eccentrically1]

Yet when you're analyzing vectors in a rotating frame, things get a bit weird. Wavy gravy.

Not really. Nothing happens in a rotating frame that is special. There’s forces and counterforces, actions and reactions. Those are just words used to describe what happens.
If rotating frame forces aren’t managed then things just break. Things break in nonrotating frames because forces aren’t managed.
I think It’s best to have something that works on paper first before building it.
Do you have any math, drawings, maybe a natural example as a guide?

[WaltzCee]

Do you have any math, drawings, maybe a natural example as a guide?

wm2d did some of the math. I've done some vector analysis. Drawings are in my mind. I have more than one idea, yet recently settled on a simple one to build.

I have the tools. I have the material. I'm just not motivated. I know I'm going to have to build. Just not in a rush. I am still curious.

[eccentrically1]

That’s interesting. Well, maybe you’ll find it someday.

[WaltzCee]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater

When meltwater pools on the surface rather than flowing, it forms melt ponds. As the weather gets colder meltwater will often re-freeze. Meltwater can collect or melt under the ice's surface. These pools of water, known as subglacial lakes can form due to geothermal heat and friction.

Example from nature

• Some time ago I saw a special explaining the weight of some glaciers caused steam to form under them that broke the glaciers up, causing them to move to lower elevations causing a geography of a lot of rolling hills.
  
  That gave me the idea of using the weight of the wheel to cause its own rotation.

Along those lines if you take 2 large coins and put them on a surface touching top to bottom, then roll the top one around the perimeter of the other, when it's rolled to the bottom it will be heads up.

The coin makes 2 revolutions to get back to the top. I saw that in a book when I was 8-9. I forget exactly.

My ideas have evolved beyond those. When electrons jump to a higher shell, they need energy & when they fall to a lower one they give off energy.

Usually. If wm2d is accurate, there might be a glitch in that matrix.

That's the principle behind LSAM. When I build, that's the one.

[eccentrically1]

Sorry, I can’t connect your dots, your description probably makes perfect sense to you.
I wouldn’t put too much faith in wm2d math. If your idea is based on incomplete laws, then its math won’t show a glitch in that electron shell matrix.

[WaltzCee]

If your idea is based on incomplete laws, then its math won’t show a glitch in that electron shell matrix.

the glitch points to an inaccurate law. As some say an N3 violation. However, that's not accurate.

N3 doesn't accurately describe every possibility in a rotating frame. I have some unusual ideas.

To be sure, only my building will tell.

[Fletcher]

Might be interesting to you Walt .. might even have some relevance to your build ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkiJZKJfpY

[WaltzCee]

Thank you Fletcher, it was interesting. If I had young kids they'd get pieces of that every Christmas. Daddy would have to supervise the play time though. :)

I watched half of it & got 2 themes from it.

• Science just deals with models, models all the way down

• Electromagnetic forces are the conduit for the electrons/electricity

What I learned (school) was a gradient caused the current to flow & that current produced the electromagnetic field. I guess when electrons have to move, they make their own highway. Those clever Dickens.

Photons might do the same thing, making the wave they ride. Who knows, it's just a model.

Yet if science just deals with ever evolving models, why are they so dogmatic about them?

The LSAM (Large Scale Atomic Model) is a bit backward. When the electron moves to a higher shell, it gives off energy expressed as RKE diverted to the axel. Counter-tweerks not so much.

I really need to build this sucker.

[Senax]

I did a little studying and what I found to be useful is to replace the terms action/reaction with the term force.

Newton's 3rd law certainly applies when some mass is moved in an attempt to imbalance a wheel. Anyone who has modeled has come up against that wall of counter-force or counter-torque.

Yet when you're analyzing vectors in a rotating frame, things get a bit weird. Wavy gravy.

These forces need to be managed. I intend to describe how in the book, if I go that route.

When I first began to look at this problem I was very excited. Now, not so much. I could care less, especially if I'm going to have to work my pa·too·tie off to get recognized and paid.

Of course, my ideas might not even produce anything. I'm not even motivated to build.

Force is merely an alias for a strain below the threshold of perception, i.e hidden.
.......................... May the STRAIN be with you..........................