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[Georg Künstler]

Hi Ovaron,
I can totally agree with:

It is undisputed, I believe, that this (impuls or movement) causes weights to be thrown off balance and then the impact occurs, which then causes the unceasingly rotation with regular impacts. Whether a swinging or resonance then occurs, and how he did it, that is the secret. But one thing seems quite certain. It is easy to build. :))

What i will add to that is as that you mentioned also a "Schwung" implies a throw or fall in one direction with no back swing.
And then it is easy to build.

In the clues we have also the "Herde", a group of animals.
They do an non-uniform movement. They do a start stop, start
stop.... movement.
An uneven acceleration.
Such figures you can see in the old clocks.

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[ovyyus]

Bessler never said there are no impacts in his wheel.

[gravityman52]

The short time that is required for the wheel to be in an out of balance condition feels like the momentum of the weight, which is not ...... involved in an impact, surely does apply its mass to the out of balance condition.

[gravityman52]

The short time that is required for the wheel to be in an out of balance condition feels like the momentum of the weight, which is not ...... involved in an impact, surely does apply its mass to the out of balance condition.

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[ovyyus]

Eyewitness accounts report impact sounds coming from inside Bessler's wheel. In MT52 Bessler claimed that "no wheel is moved through strong blows", but this statement obviously does not exclude impacts occurring inside his wheel.

Bessler tells us about how he tried to silence impact sounds in his earlier wheels because he thought they would give clues to his secret. This seems to leave little doubt that impact actually did play a consistent roll in the functioning of his mechanism.

One could hear the weights landing on the overbalanced side, as though they were swinging, from which one can assume that the overbalancing was caused by their impact.

While Wolff may not have been correct about the cause of the overbalancing (if Bessler's MT52 statement is true), those impacts must have seemed considerable enough for him to make this judgement.

[eccentrically1]

This seems to leave little doubt that impact actually did play a consistent roll in the functioning of his mechanism.

I think the impact sounds were another way to disguise the PM mechanism; they didn't play a role in - or contribute to - the PM function. You'd assume the weights were making the sounds, but there's no way to know for sure. And of course B would be happy for you to assume that especially if they weren't the cause of the sounds.

[TheVisitorV]

this is why : https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8120

[cloud camper]

From Rocky's "300 Clues on the 300th Anniversary"

https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/view ... =300+clues

Sounds
1. “The continual interchange of rise and fall in all of its parts, at first slow, then gradually increasing its tempo to the accompaniment of a
likewise increasing noise caused by the movement of its internal weights.� GB 56
2. “Another false rumor had it the Draschwitz wheel rotated because there was a cat as shown by the scratching noise coming from
inside.� AP 272 [ When a weight is pulled over the top pulley it moves in a guide causing a scratching noise ]
3. “He provided the wheel currently standing in Merseburg with a clatter and a rattle to make it difficult to hear clearly the actual motive principle. The internal clatter and rattle do not imply a constant alternation of rising and falling; rather the clatter might depend partly on the turning of the weights in the compartments. Almost no clatter and rattle was to be heard with the Draschwitz wheel; the wheel was
made up of 8 spokes and was completely empty near the circumference, as one could see through the various cracks in the casing made
of thin boards, but there was not the slightest trace of a rising and falling weight to be heard or seen.� FE Critique by Christian Wagner
[ The chain links moving around the chain pulleys will make clatter and rattle sounds ]
4. “He [Wagner] writes that if anyone with mechanical knowledge were to step forward and place his ear to my device, he would easily
unravel its structure. Indeed, he goes babbling on that the clattering inside the machine is there just to prevent anyone from becoming
acquainted with the movement. The clattering was not ‘pro forma’ (just for appearance sake).� AP 326
5. "Wagner says that my machine does not derive its motive force from the noisy weights. He declares that the mechanism that causes all the clattering is not the thing which causes the rotation of my Wheel. The clattering noise you refer to is, I assure you, a phenomenon caused directly by the real motive power of the machine, and nothing else. You also wish me to inform you why the Draschwitz machine did not create a similar noise. The two machines worked on quite different principles. The Draschwitz one turned in only one direction, but the Merseburg one turned both ways. The former [Draschwitz] was provided with felt coverings, the latter was bare." AP 339
6. “Upon the cord being released, the machine began to rotate with great force and noise� - PM 49 Draschwitz Gottfried Teuber letter
7. “The movement was accompanied by quite a loud noise caused by the internal mechanism which lasted until the machine was brought to a forced stop.� - PM 64 Merseburg 1st Test Certificate: signed by 12 distinguished men including Professor Christian Wolff
8. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these boards through a slit. They are slightly warped. When he put the wheel onto another support and reinstalled the weights in their previous positions, he pushed down on an iron spring that gave a loud noise as it expanded upwards.� - PM 70 Christian Wolff letter to Leibniz
9. “At every turn of the wheel can be heard the sound of about eight weights, which fall gently on the side towards which the wheel turns.�
- PM 95 Kassel Joseph Fischer letter
10. “One could hear the weights landing on the overbalanced side, as though they were swinging, from which one can assume that the overbalancing was caused by their impact.� - PM 114 – Christian Wolff letter to Schumacher
11. “An anvil receives many blows .. The shotgun shoots. The bow twangs.� AP 295
12. Volker Keller (VK) German website - he does not quote source.
During a full/complete revolution of the wheel, 8 impact noises were heard on the side which the wheel turned.
The witnesses regarded it as drop noises. When running the weights generated/produced digging/mining and rumbling noises.
The weights probably ran on curved/swung wood courses/railways/roads.
The weights bumped with the running against wooden walls.
Witnesses alleged that at least some weight trains ran on wood and walls were against.

Impact Rim
1. “He did not disguise the fact that the mechanism is moved by weights. Several weights, wrapped in his handkerchief, he let us weigh in our hands to estimate their weight. They were judged to be about four pounds each, and their shape was definitely cylindrical. I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable arms on the periphery of the wheel. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these boards through a slit. They are slightly warped.� PM 70 Christian Wolff 1715 letter to Leibniz
2. “I suggest that the weights on the wheel’s periphery are attached by rods in such a way that when at rest on the lighter side of the wheel, they can be lifted, but when they start to fall, after the wheel has turned, they deliver a force on impact, acquired during the fall, onto a piece of wood which is fixed to the periphery. In this way, the wheel is put into rotation by the impact of the weights, which can be heard.�
PM 114 Christian Wolff 1722 letter to Schumacher
3. “At every turn of the wheel can be heard the sound of about eight weights, which fall gently on the side towards which the wheel turns.� PM 95 Joseph Fischer letter
4. “The clattering noise is a phenomenon caused directly by the real motive power of the machine, and nothing else. You also wish me to
inform you why the Draschwitz machine did not create a similar noise. The Draschwitz one turned in only one direction, but the
Merseburg one turned both ways. The former [Draschwitz] was provided with felt coverings, the latter was bare." AP 339
5. “Herr Orffyreus supposedly gets to the root of the matter when he asserts that children in the lane play with his perpetual motion or so
called superior force.� - Critique by Christian Wagner translated by Andrew Witter
[ Hoop and Stick toy only 1700 toy requiring a smooth surface such as a street, plaza or lane as you run with it. Other vintage toys like
ball and bat are played in a field to not break windows. This is only toy matching wheel where stick hits rim to move it ]
6. “An anvil receives many blows.� AP 295
7. MT18 - First drawing with impact boards. Wheel rim has 4 impact boards at rim for flexible weight arm to hit.
“This is similar to the previous spring-model, however, the principle is not to be disregarded, for it tells more than shows.� MT18
8. MT36 - Last drawing with impact boards. Only drawing with chain pulleys. Only drawing with weighted hammer lever.
“A and A, show the 2 long, connected and weighted levers, which swing another weighted lever D, from below up to E, by means
of a chain over 2 pulleys at B and B. One may gather much from this one.� MT36 [ has ghost image of duplicate mechanism ]
9. MT138-141 figures C and D of German Hammer Toys with two figures alternating hitting a center anvil.

[Georg Künstler]

The problem of the 8 heard impacts are not the cylindrical weights.
Remember, when they act in pairs then you should also here 2 parallel impacts which was not the case.
One is going to the rim, the other to the axle.
So if we include this movement then we must hear also an impact on the center, and not only at the rim on the down going side.
The moving of the cylindrical weights is loudless, what does make the noise is the impact of the carrier wheel.

[raj]

From Rocky's clues mentioned above, What Bessler said:

POWER:
"If I were to place, next to a 12 Ell wheel, one of 6 Ell, then, if I wanted to, I could cause the smaller one to revolve with more force, and useful power than the larger one."

This is what I am trying to achieve with my 'Two Wheels on single axle' and ' Speed Doubler ' concepts combined.

[gravityman52]

I believe the implied notion in his words were aimed at a violent impact. If the weight was simply placing its mass, with a soft application of said mass on the perimeter then it might be perceived that there was an application of weight on the perimeter, which would fit with the clue about the diameter and the more power that could derived.

[ovyyus]

I think the impact sounds were another way to disguise the PM mechanism; they didn't play a role in - or contribute to - the PM function.

The clattering noise is a phenomenon caused directly by the real motive power of the machine, and nothing else.

[eccentrically1]

The "real motive power of the machine" being? The weights? Gravity? Momentum? Inertia? CF? B wants you to think it's the weights, since they are presumably the only thing that could make impact noises. Or are they? The only way the weights, or any other internal part, could be the real motive power would be if the machine was isolated. They tried to test it in isolation, but failed. Bessler was always a step ahead of them.