MT137 used to reset internal weights

[Tarsier79]

Grimer, you state that like it is fact. I disagree with your hypothesis. Prove it.

[Senax]

Grimer, you state that like it is fact. I disagree with your hypothesis. Prove it.

LOL. If I could prove it experimentally I'd be a millionaire in no time. :-)

With a working model and the evidence of my discoveries of the equations of state for water, I'm sure someone like Clarkson could persuade the necessary investors to bring the black swan to a successful launch.

I'll have to see if I can get my "computer genius" grandson to disprove it. It will be his revenge for being beaten so many times at chess.

[WaltzCee]

PK4.
oops, wrong move
Fisher proved that was a dead line

Like a castle in a corner
of a medieval game
I foresee terrible trouble
yet I stay here just the same.

With a working model and the evidence of my discoveries of the equations of state for water, I'm sure someone like Clarkson could persuade the necessary investors to bring the black swan to a successful launch.

Who's my daddy?
Who's my daddy?

What would Dr Lasker do.
bet he'd trisct that there king
Then eat his queen

I don't think you know him Frank
He owns the cattle on a thousand hills

Dddd

[WaltzCee]

With a working model and the evidence of my discoveries of the equations of state for water

The pyramid builders beat you to the punch, Frank.
Seems the answer comes from worshipping π for generations

The pyramid builders have not only squared the circle
they can construct the trisection of any arbitrary angle
and all with a straight stick and piece of string

But the cherry on the cake is they've written an equation
then resolved it to a ratio that looks so much like π
it's amazing!

Your admiration of knowledge and the vessels containing it
brings to mind a pyramid builder, Frank.

[WaltzCee]

LOL. If I could prove it experimentally I'd be a millionaire in no time. :-)

I think any viable principle or theory of operation of PM should be able to be distilled from any mechanism, then find application over many other disciplines.

For example mathematics and its precepts cross all disciplines.

I suppose this new branch of math will be to present mathematics as
present mathematics is to all human understanding.

How do you intend to enslave the force of this jerk
to power your rotation, Frank?

Still don't know?
How many jerks does it take?
Have you circled that answer yet?

[cloud camper]

Maybe a little more progress, maybe not.

My theory on wheel design is just try and throw in as many ideas as possible from MT137 thru 143 and see what sticks!!

Been trying a couple different inertial drive ideas, this one is basically an inversion of one posted a while ago.

The advantage of this scheme over the previous inverted scheme is that the wheel begins turning immediately, which is necessary to activate the reset mechanism on the back side of the wheel.

The lower weight which becomes the upper weight does apparently have the energy to reset due to inertial effects, the lower one looks very close to resetting but needs some help, thus the need for the reset mechanism which can be placed on the back side of the wheel.

We are missing the control mechanisms that guide the MT138 toy page weights so that's where the scissors blocks are necessary (not shown) but this is just a representation of the first power pulse, which hopefully will continue to accelerate into the 2nd, 3rd cycles with proper control over the weights.

The bouncing must be controlled to continue on to the next cycle!

Once one weight begins bouncing, the other weight starts to bounce as well destroying the cycle.

We do get the double impact at 90 degrees to each other with the strong impact by the brawny court jesters and the much weaker impact by the underfed bound up waifs that are not even allowed to take a swing so that seems to be a good match. Even used a small pickaxe rather than a burly
hammer!

B seems as though he took every pain to show that one of the impacts was much weaker than the other.



If both weights flip over, the cycle will continue as shown by the Tippe Top on the toy page as the top will continue spinning even after it flips over!

One feature is that as long as the weights do a reset the wheel will keep turning (I think) since the drive mechanism is separate from the wheel, acting like a huge one way bearing!

The reset mechanism can be trimmed to six weights for a simple system (maybe) and now produces six reset pulses per revolution, helpfully occurring in the exact area they are needed, around the 4 pm position on the wheel.

Of course the reset mechanism will work in both directions so we can place a mirrored drive mechanism on the left side of the wheel for bidirectionality if we need it.

Certainly not seeing any 4/1 scenarios at this time so that could be a ways off but could add two more nutcrackers on top of each other to operate 30 degrees staggered from the others if we ever get that far!

If we go to three sets of nutcrackers staggered at 30 degrees we will need the full MT137 reset capability as the reset pulses are every 30 degrees - how thoughtful of B!

So could this be the "intricate system of weights and strings" as described by Count Karl when B tore the covers off the wheel for Karl to inspect?

Who knows?

[Senax]

Instead of a solid rod why not use a ultra-lightweight pipe to transfer the load from the 4th quadrant to the 2nd quadrant. This is an analogous to the use of a heat pipe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe

The effective thermal conductivity varies with heat pipe length, and can approach 100 kW/(m⋅K) for long heat pipes, in comparison with approximately 0.4 kW/(m⋅K) for copper

In effect this is "magic". Transfer of mass is effectively instant from the 4th to the 2nd quadrant just as the transfer of heat is effectively instant in a heat pipe.

Pop Keenie achieved a similar transfer with his wheel.

[Senax]

...
So could this be the "intricate system of weights and strings" as described by Count Karl when B tore the covers off the wheel for Karl to inspect?

Who knows?
...

As an alternative to lightweight pipes what about a continuous tight string over ultra lightweight pulleys at each end, [ have to keep the inertia down, eh! :-) ] with the weights attached to one side of the continuous loop. This fits Karl's description better than rods.

No point in anyone rushing off for a patent as this has been disclosed on an open forum.

[John Collins]

I’m sorry to intrude in this discussion but where did anyone find this statement, “ could this be the "intricate system of weights and strings" as described by Count Karl when B tore the covers off the wheel for Karl to inspect? It is a complete fabrication. There is no documentary evidence about the interior of Bessler’s wheels other than witness statements about its speed and noise. Those words look very much like something Ken B might have written in his big book to lend support to his theory about the wheel. Or Frank Edwards’s book about UFOs, etc.

JC

[WaltzCee]

It is mathematically and logically provable an energy system can double infinitely yet never be greater than its cause.

Can an abacus count higher than it was designed to count?

[Senax]

I’m sorry to intrude in this discussion but where did anyone find this statement, “ could this be the "intricate system of weights and strings" as described by Count Karl when B tore the covers off the wheel for Karl to inspect? It is a complete fabrication. There is no documentary evidence about the interior of Bessler’s wheels other than witness statements about its speed and noise. Those words look very much like something Ken B might have written in his big book to lend support to his theory about the wheel. Or Frank Edwards’s book about UFOs, etc.

JC

Thank you very much for intruding, John, because I was about to ask where he had got that information.

I couldn't find it anywhere.

Thanks again.

[cloud camper]

Sorry to offend John - I guess I am more interested in the technical aspects of the wheel and not as interested in the historical.

Raj had a long thread with that title a couple years ago and no one corrected him at that time so it seemed legit.

Mucho apologies!!

[John Collins]

No problemo, cc. I didn’t notice Raj’s post. I just try to keep information discussed here and on my blog as accurate as possible according to documented evidence.

JC

[WaltzCee]

Thank you very much for intruding, John, because I was about to ask where he had got that information.

I couldn't find it anywhere.

I think we should permit John to intrude from time to time. How frequently? I don't know. A committee needs to be formed to do that calculus. I suppose frequency is important however I leave the design of the structure to be laid up to the committee.

They do need to factor in time and reconstruct their calculus to reflect that.

CC makes a very fine point.

Sorry to offend John - I guess I am more interested in the technical aspects of the wheel and not as interested in the historical.

We only have so much time! Damit!! Can I say damit? I think I will!!!

Since time is in such short supply, we can't spare an inordinate amount of it giving too much voice to the one who collected a bunch of the historical data that created the very foundation supporting the very foundation our technical details rest on.

Error be damned.

[WaltzCee]

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Interesting work CC.

• Do you intend to combine this force with c.f.?
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