daxwc wrote:Then there is the hub:
As you quoted dax, B. let people grope around his axle inside his wheel - it was just a rumpty wooden axle full of holes and gaps - the message being that it didn't hide a wind-up spring mech or "weights" inside the hub - in fact there was nothing to be felt (at least never recorded by these people) in close proximity (within hand reach) of the axle by all accounts ..
daxwc wrote:From JC's Wagner translation:
On page I, line 12 seq., the defender assures his readers that the principle of the motion depends on no external assistance, driving, etc., but is solely and simply concealed within. I never doubted that the principle is concealed within the wheel, but it is false to say that the motion depends solely on the internally concealed weights, for the impossibility has already been shown sufficiently above. The weights distributed over the circumference of the wheel give it such a powerfully moving force that a load hung from it does not weaken the rotations noticeably. The internal clatter and rattle do not imply a constant alternation of rising and falling; rather the clatter might depend partly on the turning of the weights in the compartments and partly on a completely separate clapping apparatus. Almost no clatter and rattle was to be heard with the Draschwitz wheel; the wheel was made up of 8 spokes and was completely empty near the circumference, as one could see through the various cracks in the casing made of thin splinters, but there was not the slightest trace of a rising and falling weight to be heard or seen.
What does Bessler mean by "motion depends solely on the internally concealed weights." ?
What is concealing the weights actually mean?
Is there a different way to interpret it?
What is internally concealed; is Bessler playing a word game?
John Collins AP .. To the prejudiced and blasphemous enemy:
Dear Enemy - please continue to think that it is your duty to lampoon my work, because it leads in directions you may not wish it to go! You have the spirit of a slanderer. But Truth will triumph, and will reveal the confusion in your "thoughts". People of common sense have always been scorned, and it doesn't really matter who the scoundrels who perpetrate such untruths are, because, enemy, all you write comes from arrogance and envy and amounts to nothing more than slander and waste paper. Write as many lies as you like in your angry attempts to destroy my Wheel of Wonder! In its interior it gains - for how else does it grow out of balance? Note -
its exterior is free of weights. - AP pg 245
"the clattering noise you refer to is, I assure you, a phenomenon caused directly by the real motive power of the machine, and nothing else" – AP pg 352
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Note: The Draschwitz machine did not create a similar noise because it worked on quite different principles – I have many other machines of various types –
some for instance, with weights, others without.” - AP pg 352
IMO dax .. he is playing a game of misinformation and half truths - that's how I reconcile his various statements - IOW's there are 2 sources of "weights" distributed within the wheel radius - some at or near the circumference making the impacting noise noticed by the Merseburg witnesses, which sometimes he calls "weights" when it suits him to .. and others not at the rim that he also calls "weights" when it suits him to do so .. and when he talks about having wheels with no weights he is misleading and talking about one set or the other "weights" can be exchanged for something not strictly "weights/cymbals", but not both ..
